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Thread: Big Shock (Sarcasm): Tanaka to Yankees

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    So if the minor league system is barren, they should NOT sign free agents? I'm confused how that would make them better.....
    Lighten up Francis....

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    "You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
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    To me, judging success only on Titles is off....they have been in teh playoffs A LOT. When did they last lose 90+ games three years in a row?
    Lighten up Francis....

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    This is a great move in my book. I was all for signing Tanaka but as the off-season went on and his price started rising as did reports about how much abuse his arm has taken, I became happy the Twins weren't going to be in on him.

    He could work out and be servicable, but there's likely an equally decent chance his arm gives out. Let the Yankees keep cycling these bad contracts. I wouldn't be surprised if both this and the Ellsbury contract look terrible by 2016.

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    So what? In them meantime, they had 3 or more good years from the players. Again, why does the money matter if it does not keep them from signing players? Do people think salaries are going down over the next 3 years?
    Lighten up Francis....

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    FWIW, 7/$155M works out to $22M per year, not $25.
    It's still a ton of money but that difference is not meaningless.

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    Why should we be upset with what the Yankees spend? Their fans spend a great deal of money to watch the Yankee BB team to be entertained and the owners invest much of that money in players so their fans can maximize (their) enjoyment. Are you advocating that Yankee owners slash their player budget and pocket as much of that cash as possible?--So other teams can win and have other fans be happy? Hmm, sounds rather short-term thinking to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whosafraidofluigirussolo View Post
    FWIW, 7/$155M works out to $22M per year, not $25.
    It's still a ton of money but that difference is not meaningless.
    + 20 mil posting fee.

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    Glad the Twins weren't in on this one. That's a lot of money and time for a guy who's never pitched in MLB. Not a bad signing for a team like the Yankees but I the kind of deal that could hamstring a team like the Twins in the future.

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    It is just money. And taking each team as a separate business (no comments about the relative wealth of the owners), the Yankees can simply afford to take a lot bigger $$$$ risks than the Twins. So can the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers and a number of other teams.

    Could the Twins have afforded to pay Tanaka? Yes.

    Would it have been a smart risk? No.

    It may work out for the Yankees. It may not. Even if it doesn't, a bad $155 million ($175 million investment w/posting fee) isn't back-breaking for them given their revenues. It would be awfully hard to stomach for the Twins (and their fans).

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    You don't have to like (or dislike) the Yankees just because they (often unwisely) spend massive amounts of money on their team. Championships are championships, but personally I have a lot more respect for teams like the Cardinals or Giants that win through making shrewd moves rather than throwing money at players and hoping for the best (Dodgers, Yankees).
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    Really? I have great respect for businesses that use their various assets to achieve their goals. I don't get why there is some mythical "right way" to build a baseball team.

    To be clear, what you like is your right. I just don't get why you care. All of this is irrational fandom anyway.....
    Last edited by mike wants wins; 01-22-2014 at 11:59 AM.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Really? I have great respect for businesses that use their various assets to achieve their goals. I don't get why there is some mythical "right way" to build a baseball team.

    To be clear, what you like is your right. I just don't get why you care. All of this is irrational fandom anyway.....

    I never said there was a right way. You are talking about owners, I am talking about GMs. I have more respect for a front office that creatively leverages its resources to make the most out of its means. It requires more creativity and thoughtfulness, in my opinion. There is no right way to win championships. That doesn't mean that you should be upset with the "irrationality" of someone who might appreciate the more subtle aspects of managing a professional baseball organization.
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    LOL. Do not want.

    What a horrible contract. Paying a guy Zack Greinke money who hasn't pitched in MLB.

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    I know this will seem very conspiratorial. It feels like MLB just bought Tanaka for the Yankees. The first year is paid for already. I hate A-Rod, but I have a feeling that the Yankees are not going to have to pay the remaining 60ish million on his contract. I expect some other suspension or event will cause it to be voided. If this happens then Tanaka is basically free for the Yanks for the first 3-4 years of his contract. And the Yanks have seemed to care about money, lately at least. Teams should have to live with the bad signings they make and the Yankees have a bit of history trying to weasel out of them.

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    The cherry on an outstanding offseason by Cashman. Lots of smart signings IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    The cherry on an outstanding offseason by Cashman. Lots of smart signings IMO
    "Smart" is not the term I would use. Aggressive? Sure. Smart? Um, no.

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    In the MLB world of no salary cap, "smart moves" are relative to the team that makes them. This is a smarter move for the Yankees to make than the Twins.

    The Yankees were smart enough not to give Cano the ridiculous money that Seattle is going to have to fork over.

    The opt-out after 4 years seems like a novel idea. That doesn't typically happen with MLB contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    The opt-out after 4 years seems like a novel idea. That doesn't typically happen with MLB contracts.
    They're becoming more common. The opt-out makes a bad deal even worse for the Yankees.

    Tanaka is completely unproven. He could be Hideo Nomo as easily (or more easily, probably) than he could be Yu Darvish.

    And if he becomes Yu Darvish? He gets to opt out after four seasons and play the field as a 28-29 year old.

    Just a terrible deal all around for the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    + 20 mil posting fee.
    And if Tanaka does opt out after 4 years, the amortization of that posting fee makes the yearly cost even a bit higher. As with any "interesting" contracts, we don't actually know what the true cost will be until one or more decisions get made down the line.

    / edit - I see Brock and I were on the same wavelength.

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