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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    If Bonaficio is good enough to start some games at third, second, short and center, he could be a 10th regular. A guy who could maybe start 20 games at second and 40 at third against RH pitching, and start against LH at center, short, and left could get 500 plate appearances. Sort of a poor-man's Tony Phillips. I don't know if he is a good enough hitter or good enough at short and center to be considered for such a role, but if he's adequate in the field and better with the stick than Plouffe or Dozier hitting LH and Florimon and Presley hitting RH, then go get him. Adding a base-stealing threat and potential lead-off hitter would be a bonus.
    Hoping I don't end up just repeating Stringer here, but some points I'd like to make.

    I hope Escobar, still quite young, some talent, a reputation as a quality and versatile glove man who can fill in 4+ positions, kicks it in ST and establishes himself as the next in a long line of quality Twins utility players; re: Newman, Reboulet, Hocking, Punto to just name a few. But while our starting lineup still needs help (as well as health and future promotion) quality teams needs bench strength as well. And the stronger, deeper and more versatile a team's bench, the more that team can adapt to injury, matchups, days off, and late game moves. No matter how well Escobar may perform, there is room for additional help. Now, I don't know that Bonifacio is worth 3M, but he is definitely worth a decent investment, and would be a HUGE plus to the Twins.

    He brings solid defense to a number of positions in the OF and Inf, he switch hits, has a decent career OB%, and provides real speed and SB potential on the base baths. He allows you a quality fill in player who can contribute at the top and bottom of the lineup, and helps you play situational baseball.

    I firmly believe the Twins need one more quality bat added to the lineup, and unless I am completely missing something here, the addition of Morales as a DH backup 1B makes so much sense, affordable sense, that I find it almost mind boggling its not done yet. No telling what Kubel has left, if anything, Willingham will be gone at the end of the year if not traded before. And to be honest, if he continues to linger on the DL (hopefully not) the Twins wouldn't be devastated by a cut. But the bat and offensive potential of Morales would still be there.

    However, there is hardly a single roster I can come up with that doesn't have room for a solid bat/OB guy with defensive flexibility and speed.

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    I am strongly in favor of picking up Bonofacio. He's perfect for our needs. He can push Plouffe at 3B. Force Plouffe to perform or lose playing time. Once Sano comes up... Bonofacio can slide to OF and he brings a bunch of speed with him.

    Speed is something we lack and need. Defense... He's good in the OF in my opinion. Not as good in the infield but he's OK. He would certainly be valuable because of his multi positional value.

    Fingers Crossed the Twins can bring him to Target Field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocBauer View Post
    I don't know that Bonifacio is worth 3M
    Money just isn't a constraining factor for the Twins this season. That's a relative rarity in MLB, but there it is. If a transfer of talent is necessary to acquire Bonifacio, that's a different story, or if 40-man constraints are a factor (though we all have our favorites for a DFA), but a moderate amount of salary simply shouldn't stand in the way of this or any moves in 2014, and I'll be very disappointed if word leaks out that the salary is what stopped them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    If Bonaficio is good enough to start some games at third, second, short and center, he could be a 10th regular. A guy who could maybe start 20 games at second and 40 at third against RH pitching, and start against LH at center, short, and left could get 500 plate appearances. Sort of a poor-man's Tony Phillips. I don't know if he is a good enough hitter or good enough at short and center to be considered for such a role, but if he's adequate in the field and better with the stick than Plouffe or Dozier hitting LH and Florimon and Presley hitting RH, then go get him.


    Adding a base-stealing threat and potential lead-off hitter would be a bonus.
    Bonus? Who are we kidding? Bonifacio would be both our #1 option to bat lead off, (especially against LHSP- career .342 OBP) and our prime base-stealing threat until the arrival of Buxton.

    Both Steamer and ZIPS project an OPS for Bonifacio in the .655 range with 31 steals, in 451 PAs. According to both services, his 2014 OBP of just under .320 would be higher than everyone except Mauer and Willingham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Bonus? Who are we kidding? Bonifacio would be both our #1 option to bat lead off, (especially against LHSP- career .342 OBP) and our prime base-stealing threat until the arrival of Buxton.

    Both Steamer and ZIPS project an OPS for Bonifacio in the .655 range with 31 steals, in 451 PAs. According to both services, his 2014 OBP of just under .320 would be higher than everyone except Mauer and Willingham.
    That would be tru he could have a high OBP and it would still be less than league average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wise One View Post
    That would be tru he could have a high OBP and it would still be less than league average.
    Not following you here. The league average in 2013 OBP was .318. If Bonifacio hits that as a Super-UTIL guy, his infusion in various positions in the lineup would still be much better than the current alternatives. With him in the lineup, plus Arcia, you would now have 4 out of 9 guys in the batting order who project at or above, league average in OBP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Not following you here. The league average in 2013 OBP was .318. If Bonifacio hits that as a Super-UTIL guy, his infusion in various positions in the lineup would still be much better than the current alternatives. With him in the lineup, plus Arcia, you would now have 4 out of 9 guys in the batting order who project at or above, league average in OBP.
    You said for him to bat lead off. Thought league average was about .340 for a lead off hitter.
    He is about .050 below league average in OPS. He should be what he is, a utility bench player with little or no upside from where he is at now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wise One View Post
    You said for him to bat lead off. Thought league average was about .340 for a lead off hitter.
    He is about .050 below league average in OPS. He should be what he is, a utility bench player with little or no upside from where he is at now.
    You're illustrating the sad plight of the Twins current situation, as I demonstrated in my post, this sub-par utility castoff, is a definite upgrade to the Twins current projected lineup.

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    It appears that a lot of teams will have an interest in Bonifacio. His skills really do match up with Twins' needs--he has base stealing ability, switch hits and can play second, third and the outfield. A versatile guy like Bonafacio would render Mastroianni pretty useless, but it could pave the way for either a 13th pitcher or third catcher. The other downsides to Bonafacio are the fact that he hasn't played much third base for a few years and that his offense isn't really all that good. Still, he would be valuable if everyone stayed healthy and more than that if someone like Dozier was injured. On a related topic, I really don't know what to think of Escobar. He seems to have a little punch in his bat, but the overall numbers are really unimpressive. Defensively, he seems okay, but doesn't have that great range to be more than decent at the three infield positions. Sounds like the classic infield utility guy to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    It appears that a lot of teams will have an interest in Bonifacio. His skills really do match up with Twins' needs--he has base stealing ability, switch hits and can play second, third and the outfield.

    A versatile guy like Bonafacio would render Mastroianni pretty useless, but it could pave the way for either a 13th pitcher or third catcher.

    The other downsides to Bonafacio are the fact that he hasn't played much third base for a few years and that his offense isn't really all that good. Still, he would be valuable if everyone stayed healthy and more than that if someone like Dozier was injured. On a related topic, I really don't know what to think of Escobar. He seems to have a little punch in his bat, but the overall numbers are really unimpressive. Defensively, he seems okay, but doesn't have that great range to be more than decent at the three infield positions. Sounds like the classic infield utility guy to me.
    Excellent point on Dozier insurance....but also note, he's the exact same age as Presley (29 in 2014), better plate discipline, obviously more versatile, better base stealer. I'm not sure where his defense rates in CF, but he could replace Presley, too, when Hicks finally sticks for good, followed by Buxton. The only difference being, Ryan evidently likes Presley and especially likes the value he represents at minimum cost and Presley doesn't even become Arb-eligible until 2015- I'm fairly certain paying Bonifacio $3.5M is something Ryan doesn't want to do, if at all possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    I want sharks, not more piranhas. JMO
    But I think the only sharks left are really only suited to DH and require a compensation pick.

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    Sign me up - this guy would be a far better option than a few guys sniffing the major league roster right now.

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    ONE of the reasons Oakland did well last year was that they did not give away WAR (or however you want to measure players). They cleaned the awful players out, and replaced tehm with decent players. That alone was worth wins. If this guy is a super utility guy, and could platoon in the OF or something for awhile, I'd do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Excellent point on Dozier insurance....but also note, he's the exact same age as Presley (29 in 2014), better plate discipline, obviously more versatile, better base stealer. I'm not sure where his defense rates in CF, but he could replace Presley, too, when Hicks finally sticks for good, followed by Buxton. The only difference being, Ryan evidently likes Presley and especially likes the value he represents at minimum cost and Presley doesn't even become Arb-eligible until 2015- I'm fairly certain paying Bonifacio $3.5M is something Ryan doesn't want to do, if at all possible.
    Bonifacio career OPS .662
    Presley .715
    Better place discipline. Over 300 ab Bonifacio would be on base 5 more times, but Presley is more likely to start in scoring position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    ONE of the reasons Oakland did well last year was that they did not give away WAR (or however you want to measure players). They cleaned the awful players out, and replaced tehm with decent players. That alone was worth wins. If this guy is a super utility guy, and could platoon in the OF or something for awhile, I'd do it.
    Bonifacio would have been the player Oakland got rid of. Not a great hitter, not a great fielder. If you can't do one, you better be viewed better as the other

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    My point was that you should try to get better at every position every year, as long as you are not blocking the future with money or people/roster issues. Not sure how this would do that, but I can see how it could improve the potentially awful bench/starters this team might run out for a year or so more.....and Oakland got rid of more than 1 player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    My point was that you should try to get better at every position every year, as long as you are not blocking the future with money or people/roster issues. Not sure how this would do that, but I can see how it could improve the potentially awful bench/starters this team might run out for a year or so more.....and Oakland got rid of more than 1 player.
    Well you should be getting better. Is a .662 OPS as an outfielder really any better over the course of a season? Is one quarter win better for a season worth the commitment?

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    Depends on the commitment, right? And I have no idea what they are currently planning for bench, CF, LF, defenisve OF specialist right now, so it is hard for me to say if he's better.....Your analysis of his hitting ignores defense and baserunning. Also, if you can have 1 guy be the primary backup for multiple spots, you can be more interesting with the rest of the bench. I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. But I also am not liking the OF defense at all right now.....and maybe he can help with that.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-s...lio-bonifacio/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocBauer View Post
    I firmly believe the Twins need one more quality bat added to the lineup, and unless I am completely missing something here, the addition of Morales as a DH backup 1B makes so much sense, affordable sense, that I find it almost mind boggling its not done yet.
    It hasn't happened because the Twins don't want to give up the 2nd round draft pick or pay his demands for a backup 1B and part-time DH.

    Oh, and for those questioning $3M for Bonifacio, that's Nick Punto money.

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