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    That is kind of the worst case scenario actually. That probably means that the Twins are picking 5th in a 4 player draft and are left to choose between the next tier of players that would like to be guaranteed a below slot deal at #5 instead of taking a chance and falling to #10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    That is kind of the worst case scenario actually. That probably means that the Twins are picking 5th in a 4 player draft and are left to choose between the next tier of players that would like to be guaranteed a below slot deal at #5 instead of taking a chance and falling to #10.
    I actually feel right now this draft is currently 5 strong at top and could be 7 by draft day. Rodon, Hoffman, Kolek, Jackson, and Beede are my top 5. If the reports are true that Gatewood has look great and hit a "reported" 500 ft home run this weekend you could add him to the mix. If Aiken really hit 97 this weekend and can show a consistent uptick in stuff then he could be a top 5 talent.

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    Not only did we get one mock draft a second one. This time by Matt Garrioch at minorleagueball:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/...raft-version-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb0252 View Post
    Not only did we get one mock draft a second one. This time by Matt Garrioch at minorleagueball:

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/...raft-version-1

    5. Minnesota Twins: Tyler Kolek, RHP, Texas HS
    The Twins have need for immediate impact and upside. While a player closer to the majors may make more sense, Kolek may have the highest ceiling of any arm in the draft and could be one of the quickest to the majors out of high school.

    Word for word the same write up and result as Kohl Stewart last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I understand reaching for a guy so you can go underslot with him and overslot on the next guy, but I don't like it. I want the BPA mostly because there's no promise the guys you like with pick #2 will be there.

    That's why it would be nice if an underslot guy happened to be the BPA at #5.
    I tend to agree, but there's a time and a place, especially if the Twins think the BPA at that point is a guy who is like to go at 10 as opposed to 5. Also, there's the risk/reward scenario where you might think that a B and a B+ guy is worth more than another slightly better B+ guy. Let's just hope there are 5 guys with elite level skils on them, and it won't matter.

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    Draft prospect weekly recap.
    College pitchers

    Carlos Rodon- 9 innings, 10 H, 3 ER, 7 K, 1 BB. Pitched 121 pitches.

    Hoffman- 3.1 innings, 2 H, 3 ER, 7 K, 6 BB, 2 HBs. Bad outing. Here is a scout quote from Chris Crawford:
    "He just never looked comfortable," an area scout said. "Some of the walks were on 3-2 pitches and there were some borderline strikes that I thought they missed, but that'd be an excuse if there was two or three walks, not seven. My concern is that he's now followed solid outings with mediocre or worse outings each time. I need to see more consistency."

    Beede- 7 innings, 6 H, 1 ER, 9 K, 0 BB.

    Aaron Nola- 8 innings, 2 H, 0 ER, 12 K, 0 BB. A scout quote about Beede and Nola from Chris Crawford:
    "I think they're both guys who could go in the top 10," said an AL East scout who has seen both pitch this year. "They're not terribly similar; Nola misses bats more with location and Beede more with overpowering stuff. But right now, they're both firing on all cylinders and if they keep this up in conference play, there's no telling where they could go.

    Sean Newcomb- 7 innings, 2 H, 0 ER, 8 K, 3 BB. Fastball was clocked at 90-95. Here is a scouting quote from BA:
    “You almost had to check the gun again to after some of those fastballs where it looked like he just lobbed it in there, but then you check and you are like ‘Wow, that was 94.’ It comes out as easy as you will ever see 95 come out,” an American League scouting executive said.

    “I think if he has a lot of starts like he did Friday night he is going to go pretty good,” the executive said.

    Quotes from Crawford's article are here (insider):

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/

    Quotes from BA here:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/college-stat-roundup-week-4/

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    Draft prospect weekly round up
    College hitters

    Turner- 10 AB, 4 R, 3 H, 0 RBI, 2 BB, 0 K, 0 XBH.

    Fisher- 11 AB, 0 R, 2 H, 0 RBI, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 2B.

    Schwarber- 13 AB, 5 R, 5 H, 1 RBI, 3 BB, 1 K, 1 2B, 1 HR (2). Scouting quote from a scout on Schwarber from Crawford:
    "I'm not sure there's a better pure hitter in the entire class," an NL Central scout said. "There's 70 [on the 20-80 scouting scale] power and he's shown the ability to work walks and go the opposite way.

    "My only concern [with Schwarber] is where he's going to be defensively. I don't think he can catch, and even though he's played it I don't think there's a chance he has the athleticism to play first. But if [Mariners 2013 first-round pick] D.J. Peterson was a top 12 pick, I think Schwarber is, too."

    Pentecost- 16 AB, 1 R, 4 H, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 4 K, 0 XBH.

    Zimmer- 11 AB, 2 R, 3 H, 3 RBI, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 SB, 1 2B, 1 HR (3).

    Quote from Crawford (insider):

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/

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    Draft prospect weekly round up:
    HS pitchers:

    Holmes- 5 innings, 12 K, hit 97 on the radar guns. Showed a plus breaking ball and improved change up. Here is a scouting quote from Crawford:
    "The development of the change is the big thing for me," an NL West scout said. "It has always looked like a quality offering, but he relied so much on his fastball and curve. Now he's mixing in that change and it essentially makes him unhittable against the competition he faces. He's a top half of the first-round guy, for sure."

    Aiken- didn't find his stats but there were several tweets that he looked good and his fastball hit 97.

    HS hitter

    Gatewood- showed plus-plus power by hitting a 483 foot HR! Here is a quote from Crawford:
    "Anytime you get a guy who has that much raw-power and has a chance to play shortstop, you're going to be intrigued," an NL Central area-scout said. "He has as much raw pop from the right side as any prep shortstop I can remember. But he needs to show that he's capable of doing more than just trying to hit everything 900 feet.

    Quotes from Crawford are here (insider):

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-draft/

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    5. Minnesota Twins: Tyler Kolek, RHP, Texas HS
    The Twins have need for immediate impact and upside. While a player closer to the majors may make more sense, Kolek may have the highest ceiling of any arm in the draft and could be one of the quickest to the majors out of high school.

    Word for word the same write up and result as Kohl Stewart last year.
    I would love Kolek at 5. Big time prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kab21 View Post
    That is kind of the worst case scenario actually. That probably means that the Twins are picking 5th in a 4 player draft and are left to choose between the next tier of players that would like to be guaranteed a below slot deal at #5 instead of taking a chance and falling to #10.
    That would make sense, but last year both Appel and Gray went quite a bit under slot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    That would make sense, but last year both Appel and Gray went quite a bit under slot.
    Appel went #1 in a 3 (or 4) player draft so the Astros had leverage. Gray is an interesting case but the Rockies must have convinced him that they would pass on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb0252 View Post
    I actually feel right now this draft is currently 5 strong at top and could be 7 by draft day. Rodon, Hoffman, Kolek, Jackson, and Beede are my top 5. If the reports are true that Gatewood has look great and hit a "reported" 500 ft home run this weekend you could add him to the mix. If Aiken really hit 97 this weekend and can show a consistent uptick in stuff then he could be a top 5 talent.
    I also think this is a deep draft at the top but people should aside any expectations that the Twins will be able to go underslot at #5 if there is a tier of 5-6 players at the top. The Twins definitely want to be drafting in that tier and not in the 2nd tier of this draft where you could get some values on draft day.

    So far Beede is feeling like the Gray of this draft while Hoffman might be the Manaea. Manaea still got paid like the #6 pick but he slid pretty far once he started falling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I understand reaching for a guy so you can go underslot with him and overslot on the next guy, but I don't like it. I want the BPA mostly because there's no promise the guys you like with pick #2 will be there.

    That's why it would be nice if an underslot guy happened to be the BPA at #5.
    There is also no promise that your BPA guy is going to be any better than the under-slot guy. Top 5 picks bust and mid-round picks become stars all the time.

    Here's another way of looking at it. If you go the underslot route you have 2 good chances to hit that lottery instead of 1.

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    KLAW's article today is on the draft. Insider required.....

    Calls Nick Gordon (HS) the best SS prospect in the draft, worthy of a top 10 pick. The rest is about guys he thinks are 2nd or 3rd rounders....

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-...op-ss-prospect
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
    There is also no promise that your BPA guy is going to be any better than the under-slot guy. Top 5 picks bust and mid-round picks become stars all the time.

    Here's another way of looking at it. If you go the underslot route you have 2 good chances to hit that lottery instead of 1.
    You could, but generally in that scenario, you're still passing up the guy with the highest upside. I'm not disagreeing that it's a valid approach, I just prefer taking the guy who appears to be the best player even while acknowledging that it's not a perfect science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    KLAW's article today is on the draft. Insider required.....

    Calls Nick Gordon (HS) the best SS prospect in the draft, worthy of a top 10 pick. The rest is about guys he thinks are 2nd or 3rd rounders....

    http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mlb-...op-ss-prospect
    Everything I've heard about him makes him sound like a HS Trae Turner. Should stick at SS but it's not a certainty, lots of speed and likely very little pop. What is it that Klaw likes in him but doesn't in Turner?

    And for the record, I'm not a Turner guy until he can prove he's more than a slap hitter.

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    I won't quote the whole thing....

    "He's quite a bit stronger this year, adding 10-plus pounds of muscle, so he's better able to turn on good fastballs and has been showing more pop........... If he keeps his hands near his left shoulder, he'll be able to make contact at high rates even as the quality of stuff he's facing improves."
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Correct me if I am wrong on this observation - If both Turner and Gordon are outstanding fielders at shortstop and I'm talking Marc Belanger good isn't being a slap hitter okay? I certainly think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong on this observation - If both Turner and Gordon are outstanding fielders at shortstop and I'm talking Marc Belanger good isn't being a slap hitter okay? I certainly think so.
    Yes it is, even 1st round okay. The questions is in a deep draft, is it top five pick okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong on this observation - If both Turner and Gordon are outstanding fielders at shortstop and I'm talking Marc Belanger good isn't being a slap hitter okay? I certainly think so.
    If we're talking about slap hitter like Ben Revere then no. If we're talking about a hitter that can hit .285, take a walk, drive the ball into the gaps and hit 10 HR's (think ellsbury) then absolutely yes.

    The other issue is that neither Turner nor Gordon are elite fielders. They are both projected to stay at SS and have very good defensive tools but that describes many MLB SS's and most utility guys.

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    Turner has 1 xbh (a double) in first 16 games (of 58).

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