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    Bartlett is probably there in case Florimon has recovery issues. That looks unlikely.

    Kubel seems to be a lock at this point, using the 40-man spot vacated by Worley. If he puts up numbers comparable to Morneau or Doumit the past couple of years they'll get their money's worth.

    It looks like the final spot is Parmelee/Colabello as backup first baseman. I'll guess Parm because of the option situation. Diamond to the pen for the same reason.

    It's likely things will be reevaluated around the end of April when Terry Ryan has completed his treatments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_h View Post
    Do we know Gardy has made this call? I think it's quite likely that FO listens to Gardy's recommendation but doesn't always make the call he wants. Several of these cuts, IMO, don't look like a Gardy call.
    Very glad that Pinto made the team.

    Here are the battles as I see them:

    Bartlett versus Florimon. If Bartlett has a good last week I could see Pedro going down. I am guessing he still has options. Otherwise it makes no sense to me why Barlett is still here. I don't know if a 34 year old SS that has been out of baseball for 1.5 years is going to see reps in CF.

    Pressley versus Kubel OR Collabello versus Parmelee

    Diamond versus Duensing versus Thielbar. I could see either Diamond or Duensing being traded this week.

    The most likely scenario I see is CC and Pedro/Bartlett is sent down. What worries me here is if Pinto gets 50% of the catcher reps, here is your bench half the time:

    Suzuki, Pressley, Escobar, Parmalee/Kubel. That asumes everyone is healthy and not day to day. On days where Josh is day to day with back soreness or whatever, you have Suzuki, Escobar, and Pressley. Yikes.
    Last edited by tobi0040; 03-24-2014 at 09:03 AM.

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    I think Diamond is going to make a great long reliever. He reminds me of a younger Duensing. If you look at his numbers, he seems to always get hit hard the second time through the lineup but does great the first couple/three innings. I would love to have him as the primary long reliever. Bartlett is done. Let him go! Parmelee is tough to gauge...would I prefer him over Kubel? Not sure...but he's younger and with similar production and flexibility to play OF and 1B so...yes, I probably prefer him over Kubel but let's be honest. That's not going to happen!

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    Even with better pitching this team doesn't look good. To many players getting sent down to keep lesser players that have had enough chances and couldn't get it done. I was hoping for a 500 record but I don't see it.

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    Even with better pitching this team doesn't look good. To many players getting sent down to keep lesser players that have had enough chances and couldn't get it done. I was hoping for a 500 record but I don't see it.
    I agree. As I look at the roster and the options to pick from, it all adds up to a long season no matter who makes the team and who gets send down/released.

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    Why is Bartlett still here?? Dreadful spring training. Done nothing last two years.

    This is the year that Twins start building the next division winning roster. Kubel (only slightly better than Bartlett) is not part of that picture. He should have been gone. Parmalee needs to get consistent playing time to see if he is part of that roster. If you keep Kubel over Parmalee you gain nothing.

    So now we are down to 26 guys--dropping Rohlfing, Bartlett and Kubel. Last cut--let this week's pitchers determine it.

    I agree with others--why didn't Tonkin (part of the future contender) make team??

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    According to the Pioneer Press' Mike Berardino: "Twins' Jason Kubel expects to play outfield often"

    http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_2...outfield-often

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    What's the difference between being optioned and being reassigned to minor league camp?
    I'm not the best person to answer but here goes. Anyone who can correct or clarify for me would be appreciated.

    The difference is major league service time. Players reassigned are minor league players without using an option. Major league players with options are optioned to the minors, using an option. Major league players with all of their options used, are designated for assignment or released. DFA'd players can be claimed by other teams, or passed through waivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAM DC Twins Fans View Post
    Why is Bartlett still here?? Dreadful spring training. Done nothing last two years.

    This is the year that Twins start building the next division winning roster. Kubel (only slightly better than Bartlett) is not part of that picture. He should have been gone. Parmalee needs to get consistent playing time to see if he is part of that roster. If you keep Kubel over Parmalee you gain nothing.

    So now we are down to 26 guys--dropping Rohlfing, Bartlett and Kubel. Last cut--let this week's pitchers determine it.

    I agree with others--why didn't Tonkin (part of the future contender) make team??
    I believe that it has to do with trying to keep this team interesting enough to keep b*tts in the season longer and stop the "ticket sale bleed" (season tickets and individual tickets). I also think that some of the brass may believe that a familiar name like Kubel could contribute to stopping that bleed.

    I think they believe that ticket sales are more tied to how palatable the product is now rather than on hopes for what it could be in a year or two.

    I'm not saying that is right (and it certainly isn't what I would prefer) but I think that is what is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smcginnity View Post
    I'm not sure if my comment was deleted the other day
    You should have received a Private Message in conjunction with that. Check the Notifications link up near the top of most TD pages. PM me if somehow it didn't get delivered. Normally I don't discuss individual actions in public but I'm not sure another PM to you would be received.

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    I know it's only spring training, but this team has scored 18 runs in the last 7 games. That's all I see from this lineup on a regular basis. To put it in perspective, Justin Verlander pitching every day for this team wouldn't go .500.

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    Remember how last year offense wasn't going to be a problem with Morneau another year past concussion, Willingham coming off career year and Hicks ready to break out. That's the way baseball goes sometimes. Maybe this year is the year Hicks breaks out, Parmalee and Hicks turn it around and Coloabello catches up with the speed of major leagues and replicates his minor league numbers. I am not all that optimistic but having success in the past does not guarantee success in the future and failing in the past does not guarantee failure in the future.

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    What is the likelihood that the Twins are in trade talks with other teams who have out of option players? Specifically, I would wonder about picking up a fringe CF that can legitimately back the position up in return for Diamond or Theilbar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes929 View Post
    Remember how last year offense wasn't going to be a problem with Morneau another year past concussion, Willingham coming off career year and Hicks ready to break out. That's the way baseball goes sometimes. Maybe this year is the year Hicks breaks out, Parmalee and Hicks turn it around and Coloabello catches up with the speed of major leagues and replicates his minor league numbers. I am not all that optimistic but having success in the past does not guarantee success in the future and failing in the past does not guarantee failure in the future.
    You are right, we just don't know what this team is going to do offensively (other than Mauer of course).

    Was last year a fluke for both Dozier and Willingham?
    Can Plouffe find consistency?
    Has Hicks, Arcia, Parmelee and Colabello figured out ML pitching?
    Will Kubel perform like 2012 or 2013?

    Are they going to be the team that scored 700 runs in 2012 or the one that scored 600 in 2013.

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    It would be some crazy irony if Bartlett made this roster because of his "veteran-ness"....

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    I would be better with Kubel in the outfield than Willingham, but not at the cost of Arcia's at-bats. I think Bartlett is insurance for Florimon since he's just off surgery. JB has a point. It may be the Twins Front office is taking notes from the St Paul Saints front office ALA Daryl Strawberry.

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    I'd cut Bartlett, Kubel, Diamond, and Rohlfing. None figure into the teams future plans and serve zero purpose on the major league roster.

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    Posters here have summed up the final decisions pretty well. I see Presley v Bartlett, but with a real likelihood of picking up some other team's final roster cut to be our backup CF/4th OF, and both Presley and Bartlett being gone.

    I also see it coming down to 2 of Parmelee/Colabello/Kubel, with good arguments for different outcomes. Colabello has hit the best and is RH. However, with Pinto making the team, he could be a RH DH. Parmelee is younger than Kubel and can back up 1B. Everyone here seems to feel that Kubel has some invisible inside track. Though he makes little sense from a ticket-selling standpoint, he has had better ABs the last week.

    My inclination is to remove the non-roster 3 (Kubel/Bartlett/Rohlfing), leaving us with Pinto, Colabello, Parmelee, Presley, and Escobar for DH/bench, with a little speed and some versatility, plus at least potential power from both sides.

    My preference would be to find a 4th OF with speed and versatility, and let Bartlett and Presley go. It would demonstrate that we are taking younger players in position-wars (Arcia, Hicks, Pinto, Parmelee, Colabello) and won't let marginal veterans clog up the pipeline.

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    If Bartlett makes it, it's because of his versatility. As much as I like him, I hope they take the best right handed bat instead. And that is Colabello. With Hermann going down, the possibility of Pinto DHing diminishes (given Gardy's penchant). That means they need a good right handed stick to DH. Bartlett is not that guy. And I can't see him instead of Presley either. He's out of options, and they would likely lose him, further thinning their center field ranks. Two innings of spring training doesn't make you a center fielder. Ergo, Bartlett is toast.

    the interesting call is Kuble vs Parmelee. Berardino had a great interview with him today and it hints that Kubel is the guy, but he will have to play more in the field than he has all spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    It would be some crazy irony if Bartlett made this roster because of his "veteran-ness"....
    Counting the days until there's a photo of him muffing a pop up with Kubel jogging in behind him.
    Chris Hermann solves everything. hat tip to jokin

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