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    If you think Florimon is bad.....

    remember, it always could be worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    remember, it always could be worse
    Barely.

    Nishioka's line with the Twins: .215/.267/.236
    Florimon's: .212/.273/.314

    He is fast approaching the Nishioka level...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Barely.

    Nishioka's line with the Twins: .215/.267/.236
    Florimon's: .212/.273/.314

    He is fast approaching the Nishioka level...
    But remember Nishi also sucked as a fielder. At least Florimon can play defense. Nishi had no business in a major league uniform.

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    The only thing people can say bad about Florimon is that he's a below average hitter. He's was one of the best SS's in the league last year and so far this year he looks as sharp as I've ever seen him. Don't listen to people who claim that Nunez or Escobar etc.. are just as good or better than Florimon defensively. Florimon is a special talent that only comes around every so often and people who try to downplay his defensive abilities do not have a clue about what they are talking about. They are the people I refer to when I say that Twins fans don't even know what they have in Florimon.

    Defense wins championships my friends. If you put Nunez in there, you are asking for trouble. There's a reason why Florimon is a starting SS in the MLB and Nunez is in the minor leagues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reider View Post
    The only thing people can say bad about Florimon is that he's a below average hitter. He's was one of the best SS's in the league last year and so far this year he looks as sharp as I've ever seen him. Don't listen to people who claim that Nunez or Escobar etc.. are just as good or better than Florimon defensively. Florimon is a special talent that only comes around every so often and people who try to downplay his defensive abilities do not have a clue about what they are talking about. They are the people I refer to when I say that Twins fans don't even know what they have in Florimon.

    Defense wins championships my friends. If you put Nunez in there, you are asking for trouble. There's a reason why Florimon is a starting SS in the MLB and Nunez is in the minor leagues.
    Thanks a heap for the helpful advice, but I'm pretty sure I can decide who to listen to all on my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    Thanks a heap for the helpful advice, but I'm pretty sure I can decide who to listen to all on my own.
    If you want advice, you really shouldn't listen to anyone. Decide for yourself based on what you see. Pedro is smooth as silk. And knock on wood, so far he hasn't been making any of those simple mistakes that he made at the start of last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reider View Post
    The only thing people can say bad about Florimon is that he's a below average hitter. He's was one of the best SS's in the league last year and so far this year he looks as sharp as I've ever seen him. Don't listen to people who claim that Nunez or Escobar etc.. are just as good or better than Florimon defensively. Florimon is a special talent that only comes around every so often and people who try to downplay his defensive abilities do not have a clue about what they are talking about. They are the people I refer to when I say that Twins fans don't even know what they have in Florimon.

    Defense wins championships my friends. If you put Nunez in there, you are asking for trouble. There's a reason why Florimon is a starting SS in the MLB and Nunez is in the minor leagues.
    Sorry and I am not a Florimon hater, but good defensive ss who hover around the Mendoza line are not "a special talent". I do believe he will hit better than he has so far and if he can get to 230/240 then he is the best option but if he doesn't improve in the next week I think the Twins should send him to Rochester to regain his "stroke" and see what the have in Escobar

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    I am with Reider. Remember when Plouffe was ss? I recall actually shouting "you suck" at a game (after a couple of beers). I know, I know hitting is also important,
    but so is defense and Floriman has that.

    Be gentle boys, my first substantive post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reider View Post
    The only thing people can say bad about Florimon is that he's a below average hitter. He's was one of the best SS's in the league last year and so far this year he looks as sharp as I've ever seen him. Don't listen to people who claim that Nunez or Escobar etc.. are just as good or better than Florimon defensively. Florimon is a special talent that only comes around every so often and people who try to downplay his defensive abilities do not have a clue about what they are talking about. They are the people I refer to when I say that Twins fans don't even know what they have in Florimon.

    Defense wins championships my friends. If you put Nunez in there, you are asking for trouble. There's a reason why Florimon is a starting SS in the MLB and Nunez is in the minor leagues.
    I don't think anybody is championing Escobar or Nunez as better than Florimon defensively.

    The reason Florimon is starting is that the Twins don't have any shortstops that can play on both sides of the ball.

    There's also a reason Florimon was available to be picked up on waivers for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Barely.

    Nishioka's line with the Twins: .215/.267/.236
    Florimon's: .212/.273/.314

    He is fast approaching the Nishioka level...
    Nishioka was the worst defensive shortstop I've ever seen, and the worst defensive second basemen. And that is coming from a guy who watched Brendan Harris and Fred Manrique.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since71 View Post
    Sorry and I am not a Florimon hater, but good defensive ss who hover around the Mendoza line are not "a special talent". I do believe he will hit better than he has so far and if he can get to 230/240 then he is the best option but if he doesn't improve in the next week I think the Twins should send him to Rochester to regain his "stroke" and see what the have in Escobar
    When I refer to him as a special talent, I am solely talking about his defensive skill set. His defensive skill set only comes around every so often. His hitting is another story, which we all know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A beginner View Post
    I am with Reider. Remember when Plouffe was ss? I recall actually shouting "you suck" at a game (after a couple of beers). I know, I know hitting is also important,
    but so is defense and Floriman has that.

    Be gentle boys, my first substantive post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    There's also a reason Florimon was available to be picked up on waivers for nothing.
    Yeah, because he's a below average hitter. And i've never claimed that Florimon will ever turn out to be anything fantastic at the plate. All I've ever hoped for is that given the circumstances, we can afford to and should give him one more season to show some improvement at the plate. That's it. And the reason why I think it's worth giving him another opportunity in the first place goes back to my initial claim that his defensive skill set only comes around every so often. Does that make things a little more clear to everyone?

    His defensive skill set + our organizational circumstances = It's a good idea to give him another opportunity. Obviously the Twins agree because he's the starting SS.

    If he doesn't show any improvement this year, then lets bring back J.J. Hardy in the off season or sign someone else or trade for someone else. Is that not fair?
    Last edited by Reider; 04-16-2014 at 07:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reider View Post
    When I refer to him as a special talent, I am solely talking about his defensive skill set. His defensive skill set only comes around every so often. His hitting is another story, which we all know about.
    Well that would work fine if we could DH for him but unfortunately position players have to hit and as I said if he can hit 230/240 then his defense makes him best option but hitting <200 makes him an offensive liability. unfortunately the Twins don't have a lot of options but I watched Escobar here at Rochester last year and well he is certainly not in Florimons league on defense he held his own and is a much better hitter...so as I said give Flori a week and if no improvement send him down and give Escobar a shot and at least see what you have

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    It appears Nunez is being called up as the 26th man for the doubleheader tomorrow. We should get a (small) chance to see for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    It appears Nunez is being called up as the 26th man for the doubleheader tomorrow. We should get a (small) chance to see for ourselves.
    I read a rumor he's being used as a RF so Colabello can DH and Pinto can catch Game 2. But we'll see. I'd be surprised if he plays short ahead of either Florimon or Escobar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reider View Post
    When I refer to him as a special talent, I am solely talking about his defensive skill set. His defensive skill set only comes around every so often. His hitting is another story, which we all know about.
    The thing is no matter how good his defense is he is one giant black hole on offense. It's no different than having Brendan Ryan or Adam Everett at short. I feel like I'm having the Punto argument again.

    If everyone else hits it doesn't matter what Punto/Florimon does offensively.

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    And let's just enjoy the brilliance of Dave's video. A true classic.

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    Bottom line: I don't know of any better options right now. I'm ok with giving Escobar some run, but my hopes aren't high. And Santana is sporting a 11:1 K:BB ratio in Rochester. So might as well get the defense, I suppose, and hope he gets out if this slump to something resembling the Mendoza line.

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