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    Time for Mauer to Smell the Coffee

    Whether it's due to age, wear or whatever, Joe's quick reactions and batspeed are slowing down. Since even before the concussion, his K rate has been climbing steadily over the past three years, to an all-time worst. It's time he give up the fantasy of being Rod Carew and embrace the fact that he's Kent Hrbek. A .320 singles hitter with gap power had great value at catcher, but at 1B he's worth a lot more as a .290 hitting lumbering slugger. He's 6'5' & 230 for Chrissake! The time has come to stop waiting back on every pitch and flicking them the other way. He needs to start aggressively attacking the first good pitch he see's, and fulfill his destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudcat14 View Post
    Whether it's due to age, wear or whatever, Joe's quick reactions and batspeed are slowing down. Since even before the concussion, his K rate has been climbing steadily over the past three years, to an all-time worst. It's time he give up the fantasy of being Rod Carew and embrace the fact that he's Kent Hrbek. A .320 singles hitter with gap power had great value at catcher, but at 1B he's worth a lot more as a .290 hitting lumbering slugger. He's 6'5' & 230 for Chrissake! The time has come to stop waiting back on every pitch and flicking them the other way. He needs to start aggressively attacking the first good pitch he see's, and fulfill his destiny.
    He is not Kent Hrbek or anything close to that. What he is would be better described as Doug Mientkiewicz but not as good as glove.

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    Let's see....

    Joe Mauer career .871 OPS
    Doug M Career .760 OPS

    Yeah...about the same...

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    We've had this discussion before. Is there something new to bring to the table that's happened since last week?
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    Definitely needs some time at 1B to learn the position. Could have and should have saved a run the other day on a grounder with the bases loaded. As a hitter, he is what he is. Remember the Twins signed him the year after he hit 27 HRs at the Metrodome in an injury shortened season. But, it is galling to have your 3-hole hitter bunting, and a natural 1B like Colabello playing RF. Not sure there is a good answer except, once again, the Twins find a way to lose their way in fielding a decent squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darin617 View Post
    He is not Kent Hrbek or anything close to that. What he is would be better described as Doug Mientkiewicz but not as good as glove.
    First, I want to state that I have always been a Joe Mauer fan and always will be. My frustration with him stems from his mental approach at the plate. #3 hitters are supposed to drive in runs. Puckett did, Oliva did, etc... Joe Mauer has hit #3 in the Twins lineup for virtually his entire career. Lately he's seen some time in the 2-hole. If he never changes his approach, he should stay in the 2-hole. In a recent game, Mauer was up with runners on 1st and 3rd with 2 out. Dozier promptly stole 2nd base leaving first base open. The team the Twins were playing elected to pitch to Joe. The count was 2-0. Here comes a fastball, middle in (a pitch a hitter with the mentality and approach to drive in runs would have come out of his socks to hit). Joe took strike one. After a ball outside, here came another fastball on the outside edge, not as good a pitch to hit as strike one, but still a pitch Mauer knocks to leftfield for a base hit. Choosey Joe takes strike two. Finally, ball four arrives outside off the plate, and Joe takes his walk to fill the bases, leaving the RBI work to "the next guy." Joe has never had a RBI guys approach. I can see Carew taking the walk in 1969-1971 with Tony Oliva hitting behind him. But the 2014 version of the Minnesota Twins don't have a Tony Oliva. Joe Mauer must adjust his approach from "Choosey Joe" with men in scoring postion to "Aggressive Joe, I want to drive those #$#*@# teammates of mine home!!!

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    Spot on Top Gun. How could anyone debate this? Take take take take take.

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    Mauer is as close a player to Meink as I am.
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    Well he is striking out a lot more. Maybe we can just talk about that.

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    Mauer has a career .322 BA and .467 SLG.

    Mauer has a career .333 BA and .480 SLG with RISP.

    Mauer has a career .336 BA and .469 SLG with men on base.

    But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Mauer has a career .322 BA and .467 SLG.

    Mauer has a career .333 BA and .480 SLG with RISP.

    Mauer has a career .336 BA and .469 SLG with men on base.

    But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good argument.
    IMO none of those facts dispute the theory the Twins would be better off if Mauer looked for ways to be a more dangerous hitter at certain points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    IMO none of those facts dispute the theory the Twins would be better off if Mauer looked for ways to be a more dangerous hitter at certain points.
    I don't think it's that easy. You're talking about completely altering a guy's approach to the plate.

    We have no idea what kind of results would come from altering that approach. Would it help the Twins? Possibly. Are we guaranteed that the results would improve his output? Absolutely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    IMO none of those facts dispute the theory the Twins would be better off if Mauer looked for ways to be a more dangerous hitter at certain points.
    Every team would be better off if each of its hitters did more. Maybe something can be written into the next CBA to enforce that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownTwinsFan View Post
    We've had this discussion before. Is there something new to bring to the table that's happened since last week?
    Since last week? No. But over the past couple of years? Yes. His K rate has risen dramatically. He now plays a much less rigorous position defensively, supposedly allowing him to maintain his energy. He's in the line-up every single day. He's being pitched inside, almost exclusively. Many teams put their SS directly behind the bag for him, even though they know he prefers to hit the opposite way.


    Bottom line he's still an athlete with superior hand/eye coordination and above average pitch recognition. But he needs to evolve into his body, position and opportunities that are afforded to him. Not unlike a Little Leaguer who has to make adjustments to keep his eye on the ball or not step in the bucket, Joe has to want to condition himself to use his vast talents in a more productive way. Doug Mientkiewicz never made $22mil/year.

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    I think what is going on here is that everybody who sick of mauer walking in situations where he could drive in runs are being met by folks equally sick of reading about it on a daily basis. It might be time to change the channel for a while

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    I know its small sample size and all but his numbers are trending the wrong way.

    Whether its lingering effects of the concussion or he's on the wrong side of his prime, hes not the valuable hitter he once was. So plucking stats from his past aren't the best, because it does not predict future success.

    But he is still a good player and hes home-grown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drock2190 View Post
    I know its small sample size and all but his numbers are trending the wrong way.

    Whether its lingering effects of the concussion or he's on the wrong side of his prime, hes not the valuable hitter he once was. So plucking stats from his past aren't the best, because it does not predict future success.
    It's going to take more than three weeks of mediocre play for me to get worried about Mauer.

    Yeah, his strikeouts were trending the wrong way last year... Though that's not necessarily a bad thing in a vacuum.

    Give it time. If it's June 1 and he's still struggling, then it's time to get worried. 17 games in April don't tell us much about his future.

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    Pretty much agree with Brock, above. However, for whatever reason, it may be time for Mauer to adjust a bit. He is notorious for taking the first pitch, he refuses to expand his zone, no matter what the game situation, and he doesn't often pull the ball with authority. Some tweaks may be in order to improve an already outstanding hitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Twins Cap View Post
    But, it is galling to have your 3-hole hitter bunting, and a natural 1B like Colabello playing RF.
    My response to your saying it's "galling" for him to bunt: On that play I believe the Royals were using a slight shift towards right field, with the third baseman playing a few paces towards 2nd more than he would usually and back. I have no problem with Mauer taking a free (!!!) base by getting a bunt down in the direction of a 3B who is not in position to field one, especially with the bases empty as they were (he was leading off). It would be more troubling if it were 2011 again and he bunted with RISP, but it isn't.

    My response to Colabello in RF: I mentioned to my dad this weekend as we watched Colabello tip toe around RF (we were in KC for the series) that if I ran the Twins I would consider putting Mauer in RF and Colabello at 1B when neither are the DH, as I feel Mauer's athleticism would make a better fielder in right than Colabello. I wish they were more willing to use Mauer in a role that had him playing in the outfield corners as well as 1B.
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