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    Article: Three-Bagger: Muted Mauer, Pelfrey's Problems & Pinto's Pop


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    Mauer is scoring runs at a pretty good clip. On pace for 126 runs. Not saying that is all that is expected of him but being in noticeable slump and still getting on base .360 of the time is still productive. Just not as productive as we expect him to be or as productive as he will likely be. Plouffe, Kubel and Colabello will cool off but there are plenty of areas where improvement is likely from other players also.

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    Great call on Pelfrey. The best thing that can happen is for him to not pitch in games until he figures out what is up. Having him in the bullpen would be a disaster, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2oface View Post
    Great call on Pelfrey. The best thing that can happen is for him to not pitch in games until he figures out what is up. Having him in the bullpen would be a disaster, as well.
    Except in the bullpen he could pitch in low-leverage situations. Meanwhile the Twins are pitching Samuel Deduno 2-4 innings in games that are basically lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes929 View Post
    Mauer is scoring runs at a pretty good clip. On pace for 126 runs. Not saying that is all that is expected of him but being in noticeable slump and still getting on base .360 of the time is still productive. Just not as productive as we expect him to be or as productive as he will likely be. Plouffe, Kubel and Colabello will cool off but there are plenty of areas where improvement is likely from other players also.
    I think I remember when I was younger you would see runs posted in a players stat line everywhere. Even on TV when they were at bat. Seems to me it has sort of disappeared. Now it's just BA, HRs and RBIs. I notice when looking at a players stats online some don't list runs unless you delve deeper. Maybe this has something to do with why people always complain about Mauer's lack of RBIs, but are clueless about the runs. To me runs are as valuable as RBIs as either need the other to exist. I remember watching Ricky Henderson and they always had his incredible run totals posted when he came to bat.

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    I'd settle for Pelfrey just not pitching in games.

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    I worry that Pelfrey has shoulder problems. One of the reasons you don't rush guys back from elbow issues is favoring the elbow puts enormous strain on the shoulder. Pelfrey is a horse, so he could probably throw the ball as hard as he wants, but it can't be good for his shoulder to do that repeatedly.

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    I also believe there is a physical problem with Pelfrey. I hope it's nothing serious, because he seems like a very decent guy and when healthy can be a contributor.

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    Last year TD had a headline: "Time to Put Pelf on the Shelf".

    Seems like it is accurate again.

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    Signig Pelfrey was nearly as mind boggling as signing Bartlett. For two years? Mind. Boggling. If you believe in May or Meyer at all, NO REASON to sign a vet you aren't willing to bullpen or demote. If Antony could explain this, from a strategy perspective, he'd be a PR genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes929 View Post
    Mauer is scoring runs at a pretty good clip. On pace for 126 runs. Not saying that is all that is expected of him but being in noticeable slump and still getting on base .360 of the time is still productive. Just not as productive as we expect him to be or as productive as he will likely be. Plouffe, Kubel and Colabello will cool off but there are plenty of areas where improvement is likely from other players also.
    I'd feel a lot better about Mauer if he looked like he was fine. Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there...but he just doesn't look right. Something is off/slow/unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I'd feel a lot better about Mauer if he looked like he was fine. Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there...but he just doesn't look right. Something is off/slow/unusual.
    Mauer has been a slow starter in his career. He's also returning to play two months off in 2013 followed by an offseason where he didn't train much at all, if I remember correctly.

    It's not surprising that he's rusty. I'm a little concerned by how badly he's missing balls but I'll give it time and see if he comes around after being inactive for 6-7 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Mauer has been a slow starter in his career. He's also returning to play two months off in 2013 followed by an offseason where he didn't train much at all, if I remember correctly.

    It's not surprising that he's rusty. I'm a little concerned by how badly he's missing balls but I'll give it time and see if he comes around after being inactive for 6-7 months.
    It's not just that he was off for 2 months...he was off because of a concussion. His bat may not be right because his brain may not be right.

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    Pinto's batting average should come up some over the season. His minor and major league BABIP ranges between .293 and .440. So far this young season it's .243. It's unreasonable to expect .440, but .290 to .340 seems pretty attainable, especially at the rate he is homering. Increasing .05 to .1 back closer to historic numbers should improve his batting average pretty significantly.

    Mauer is learning a new position, and it's feasible his batting should suffer a bit during the adjustment period. He'll get back to his old slap hitting, lots of doubles. high batting average, self soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Signig Pelfrey was nearly as mind boggling as signing Bartlett. For two years? Mind. Boggling. If you believe in May or Meyer at all, NO REASON to sign a vet you aren't willing to bullpen or demote. If Antony could explain this, from a strategy perspective, he'd be a PR genius.
    I think this is why Corriea wasn't resigned, and why Pelf was signed for 2 years. Meyer this year in place of Corriea, May next in place of Pelf.

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    Pelfrey for two years was a head scratcher. He didn't have many one-year offers after last year. When they interviewed Antony, he said they didn't want to just have him for his bad year after Tommy John. They wanted to reap the benefits of the second year after Tommy John. That's one of the best examples of the sunk cost fallacy I've ever heard expressed.

    At this point, my hope is he could make a decent reliever. Swap him out with Deduno and see if he gets his velocity back. If he doesn't, cut your losses.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sconnie View Post
    Pinto's batting average should come up some over the season. His minor and major league BABIP ranges between .293 and .440. So far this young season it's .243. It's unreasonable to expect .440, but .290 to .340 seems pretty attainable, especially at the rate he is homering. Increasing .05 to .1 back closer to historic numbers should improve his batting average pretty significantly.
    I think you have that backwards. HR are not included in BABIP, as they are not in play.

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    Between the Pelfrey signing and the Bartlett fiasco (in which we lost all depth in CF), my confidence in Antony is trending towards 0.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Between the Pelfrey signing and the Bartlett fiasco (in which we lost all depth in CF), my confidence in Antony is trending towards 0.
    The thing is that it wasn't actually valuable depth. Mastroianni, Presley, and Fuld are basically the same guy.

    Those guys are always available.

    That doesn't excuse the Twins for deciding Jason Bartlett was an MLB player but it does mean that it's essentially a moot point.

    What's more interesting is how the Twins went from wanting Presley last season to dumping him this season. Either they made a scouting gaffe or something about the guy rubbed them the wrong way.

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    The twins also did the sunk cost thing on Capps.

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