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    Senior Member All-Star Winston Smith's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsnorth49 View Post
    Yes, Terry Ryan has no interest in winning, completely logical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Having trouble reconciling these two posts in
    the space of a few hours. In any
    case, we're now on old well traveled terrain and I'm done with this topic.
    Threads evolve. I'm not the one who changed the subject.

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    As said above, this thread is well traveled territory and the responses will be pretty predictable. What I will say is this, I believe Ryan said that a major difference between him and Smith was that he(Ryan) was more patient than Smith. I do think that 2 of Ryan's strengths are talent evaluation combined with patience. Once Ryan had decided that a player had a certain level of talent and a good chance to reach it, he usually gave that player a chance to get there. The most notable exception to that was Ortiz. Sometimes, perhaps he was too patient(see Rivas and others). But often I think he gave guys plenty of opportunites to prove their worth and often it worked out. Some examples could include Hunter, Koskie, Perkins, Cuddyer and Plouffe.

    None of this necessarily makes Ryan a great general manager, but one of things that has often hurt other franchises in baseball and even franchises in other sports such as the Timberwolves, is a lack of patience to let a plan work itself out.

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    Overall due to the budget and the owners wanting more millions TR has done a good job overall. The one thing that still bothers me he left during a big offseason for the Twins, Hunter walked for nothing in return and we were forced to trade Santana.

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    This is a loaded question and, yes, there are a few different camps who will not change their (our) minds, but all I have to say is this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta Shearing View Post
    Threads evolve. I'm not the one who changed the subject.
    Really? You just turned a question on how to judge Ryan's tenure to an indictment on Ryan's motives and have continued to escalate this.

    Moderator note, let's try to keep this civil.

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    Wins and losses.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Wins and losses.
    Oh, I didn't realize that the poster had such a virulent agenda when asking the question. I took it on face value.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta Shearing View Post
    Maximizing profits is #1 priority. Winning is secondary.
    How do you post a profit selling a product no one will buy?

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    Twins Moderator All-Star twinsnorth49's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Who said that?
    It's been implied pretty obviously in more than one post here.

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    I think that what I've learned about Terry Ryan is that he just doesn't see the advantage of hiring high ceiling guys.

    No one would suggest that Nolasco has greater potential than Kazmir. But we didn't offer Kazmir a contract (not that I ever heard rumored). And Kazmir signed a 2-year contract for less than Nolasco's average per year.

    The Pohlads held his feet to the fire and told him to improve the team. He went out and hired career average arms (except that they are older now).

    For this I give him a D.

    In general I would give him a C-, and I feel that is generous.

    Yes we've had some good years, but take Santana off the roster and you probably have very little one might call successful.
    Last edited by Oldgoat_MN; 04-26-2014 at 08:45 AM.
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