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    "I think the optimal number is 15 pitchers and 4 catchers. The Twins are on the cutting edge here, the rest of the league will be following suit. It is a copycat league. " You know if a team actually did that and won the World Series there would definitely be teams that would copy them. Its how we got the whole pitch to one batter, closers can only throw 1 inning in save situations stuff in the first place.

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    " A good logical move by the Twins, but likely could be useless after tonight if we get another short start from the SP staff " If we get another short start and Darnell eats a lot of innings why would that be useless? I am thinking it might and should be Pelfrey sent down and if Darnell isn't needed before then he will get the start Tuesday. If Pelfrey cannot regain his velocity and control then putting him in the bullpen doesn't solve anything. Sending him down to find it makes all the sense in the world.

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    Seven, eight or nine innings from Nolasco? Be prepared for that not happening? Like being prepared for the possibility of getting wet when thrown into a lake?

    Maybe I'm missing a subtle humor in that, but based on what we've seen so far, shouldn't the Twins be grateful if he goes five or six without getting Charlie Browned?

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    Why don't they just DFA Florimon and bring up Bernier? Escobar can play SS and Bernier would be more valuable because he plays multiple positions and Florimon doesn't. Bernier can at least bat.250 I bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKGuy View Post
    Bernier can at least bat.250 I bet
    Or he could bat .150, yet still be an offensive upgrade over PFlo.

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    I think if Darnell throws well, we'll see Deduno start on Tuesday and Logan take over his role in the pen. That's seems to make the most sense if Pelfrey is about to get bumped.

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    ...or they could just use Darnell to start on Tuesday. Think about it, he's not "Alex Meyer flashy" but he's proven to be a consistent workhorse that pitches deep into games and gives you a chance every time out. Sounds like what the doc ordered to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    If its Hicks to the DL, by my count that'll be 14 pitchers and 3 catchers.
    In fairness, Herrmann is the 25th man and plays corner OF more than catches and Pinto is the everyday DH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twankees View Post
    I think if Darnell throws well, we'll see Deduno start on Tuesday and Logan take over his role in the pen. That's seems to make the most sense if Pelfrey is about to get bumped.
    But then, what to do with Pelfrey? I guess you can get pretty esoteric about your DL excuses, but I'm not sure how well "missing 2 MPH off his heater" would fly with the league and/or player. That happens to plenty of otherwise healthy pitchers all the time (they usually aren't under brand-new, multi-year contracts though, and/or they were coming from a better starting point than Pelfrey).

    That's why I thought, swap Pelfrey and Deduno, ideally before yesterday's games. Let Pelf figure things out in the pen as a mop-up man, then DL/demote/release from there (or keep him in the pen or promote him back to the rotation if things go well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    In fairness, Herrmann is the 25th man and plays corner OF more than catches and Pinto is the everyday DH.
    In fairness, I think the 14 pitchers is the more egregious part. How many teams have had 14 pitchers on their 25 man roster at any given time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    But then, what to do with Pelfrey? I guess you can get pretty esoteric about your DL excuses, but I'm not sure how well "missing 2 MPH off his heater" would fly with the league and/or player. That happens to plenty of otherwise healthy pitchers all the time (they usually aren't under brand-new, multi-year contracts though, and/or they were coming from a better starting point than Pelfrey).

    That's why I thought, swap Pelfrey and Deduno, ideally before yesterday's games. Let Pelf figure things out in the pen as a mop-up man, then DL/demote/release from there (or keep him in the pen or promote him back to the rotation if things go well).
    DFA him. Just move on with life, and admit you are rebuilding, and give the young guys a chance. Admitting this mistake would slightly increase my confidence in this FO.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    I know it's easy for me to say but I wouldn't worry to much about Pelfrey at this point. I think there are lots of better options who are all part of the longer term plan. I don't think Pelfrey will ever help the Twins. I say do whatever you've got to do with him to make room for these other guys. Then again, I'm not the one writing his checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    In fairness, Herrmann is the 25th man and plays corner OF more than catches and Pinto is the everyday DH.
    Yes, but also in fairness, Pinto is a catcher, and Herrmann is a catcher who can play OF and who is on the roster so Pinto, a catcher, can DH without Mr. Gardenhire collapsing into a terrified, sobbing heap in the dugout at the prospect of "losing the DH", as if one or two lost AB's mean more than going long chunks of the season with what amounts to a 24 man roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
    Yes, but also in fairness, Pinto is a catcher, and Herrmann is a catcher who can play OF and who is on the roster so Pinto, a catcher, can DH without Mr. Gardenhire collapsing into a terrified, sobbing heap in the dugout at the prospect of "losing the DH", as if one or two lost AB's mean more than going long chunks of the season with what amounts to a 24 man roster.
    And it also allows him to play Herrmann, who is maybe a marginal hitter for a backup catcher, occasionally as a starting corner outfielder. The system works.

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    So... has a corresponding move been made regarding Darnell? The only thing I saw on the Twins website was optioning Kris Johnson back to Rochester.

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    I didn't see this coming. I expected Johnson to stay in Minnesota or Deduno to take Pelfrey's role or a reliever to come up from Rochester. I didn't expect them to bring up Darnell.
    I don't understand the reluctance of Twins management to stretch out Deduno. He is easily the best pitcher on this staff. If Nolasco, Pelfrey and Correia continue to stink it up, I would not be surprised if Pelfrey gets optioned to AAA and Correia DFA'd.

    Logan is getting a start. Are Meyer and May next? Those two would be the next logical options?

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    LoDarn? Darnie? Darnsie?



    At any rate, if he's good enough for Batavia Downs Casino to name him Player of the Week, he's good enough to take the ball and have a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laloesch View Post
    I don't understand the reluctance of Twins management to stretch out Deduno. He is easily the best pitcher on this staff.
    Eh, I think Hughes is the best pitcher on this staff. I thought that the moment he was signed. He's had some rough innings but overall, he's been pretty good if you look past that ERA.

    Though Deduno is no lower than the third best starter on the team *if* (and it's a big if) he can stay healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    DFA him. Just move on with life, and admit you are rebuilding, and give the young guys a chance. Admitting this mistake would slightly increase my confidence in this FO.
    Well, as I've expressed before, it would be nice to see them get out in front of something for a change. Dump a guy early rather than late.

    But, at the same time, we're not brimming with perfect alternatives either. Dumping Marquis early in 2012 did us no favors, and although we've got more options now, there's no reason we can't stash Pelf in the bullpen for a while, if not the DL or AAA if he accepts an assignment.

    His salary is guaranteed; the 40-man spot is negligible; given a big bullpen, the 25-man isn't too crowded either. And while we're hopefully improved, it's probably not going to be critical to squeeze every last possible win out of our 2014 season. It's just the 5-man MLB rotation where he's really not welcome at the moment; we don't want to be giving away too many wins that easily!

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    I'd prefer that they promote their RP very aggressively, and use them in the bullpen. But that is a major delta in philosophy with me and them.
    Lighten up Francis....

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