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    Quote Originally Posted by Cris E View Post
    The Twins are doing a bad job solving the problem at SS, but I do cut them some slack in cases where there's a prospect coming that makes it hard to sign a real player to a real deal. What CF wants to come here knowing that Buxton is bearing down on his position? And even if that guy wanted the job do you want to sign that contract? They chose to use the time to find out who Hicks is rather than invest in a damaged Upton or bring back Span or whatever other notions were floated. It wasn't a bad idea; the bad idea in CF was not having a plan in case you didn't like who Hicks turned out to be, or in case there was an injury.
    True for CF, not for SS. They have questions about Danny Santana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    Go for it. Probably start with Houston.
    Houston has 7 players on their 40-man over 30-years-old. The Twins have 14. I prefer the Astros approach to rebuilding even if it means they lose 100 games instead of 90.

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    Wait until they add Grueyer! Then it will be 15 (and they tried to have Bartlett....16).
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Houston has 7 players on their 40-man over 30-years-old. The Twins have 14. I prefer the Astros approach to rebuilding even if it means they lose 100 games instead of 90.
    Tell that to Houston fans. The Astros have the following win totals over the past three years:

    56, 55, 51.

    They're easily the worst team in the AL again with only 10 wins in their first 31 games.

    While I understand that rebuilds take a lot of time, it's going to be a long time before the Astros are relevant again. They've dug themselves into such a hole that it could be a decade before they emerge from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Tell that to Houston fans. The Astros have the following win totals over the past three years:

    56, 55, 51.

    They're easily the worst team in the AL again with only 10 wins in their first 31 games.

    While I understand that rebuilds take a lot of time, it's going to be a long time before the Astros are relevant again. They've dug themselves into such a hole that it could be a decade before they emerge from it.
    They do have 7 prospects in the top 100 and another 1-1 staring at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    They do have 7 prospects in the top 100 and another 1-1 staring at them.
    Oh, their minor league system looks great. The problem is that they have virtually no talent on the current roster. Even if all seven prospects pan out, that's still less than 1/3rd of an MLB roster.

    Basically, it's the Twins minus Mauer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hughes, Nolasco, and Perkins. A good place to start but the Astros need a lot more pieces to build a contender, not to mention that they need almost all their prospects to pan out to be good in the next 2-3 years.

    Blowing up the team was the right move to make for the Astros. They needed to overhaul not only their on-field players but they needed to blow up the entire organization, scouting and front office included.

    But if someone is frustrated by three consecutive 95 loss seasons by the Twins, they'd stop watching baseball if they lived in Houston and had to watch that team for the past 500 games.

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    Couldn't the Astros sign Nolasco and Hughes types? Don't the Twins need their propsects to pan out to be good again?

    I don't think anyone is saying fans can't be both hopeful about the future (and complimentary about the rebuild approach), and frustrated with the present and the pace of improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying fans can't be both hopeful about the future (and complimentary about the rebuild approach), and frustrated with the present and the pace of improvement.
    I'm not arguing that at all, merely pointing out that blowing up the franchise a la the Astros adds more time to an already lengthy rebuild process. I find it very unlikely that the Astros build a winner before the Twins because the Twins had a few (albeit too few) quality players on the roster who look to contribute to the next winning team. The Astros don't have that, which makes an already tough job just that much tougher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Basically, it's the Twins minus Mauer, Dozier, Plouffe, Hughes, Nolasco, and Perkins. A good place to start but the Astros need a lot more pieces to build a contender, not to mention that they need almost all their prospects to pan out to be good in the next 2-3 years.
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    Dozier, Plouffe and Hughes are part of the under-30 crowd for the Twins. The Twins do have vets Mauer and Perkins who can still likely help during and after the rebuild, but they just can't seem to stay away from the post-rebuild vets. Suzuki, Doumit, Pelfrey, Willingham and Correia were (laughably) win now moves. The Astros did some of that, (Crain, Feldman, Bedard) but not nearly as much as the Twins, and most importantly, only Feldman was signed to multiple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sconnie View Post
    We got a complete game out of Nolasco, can either Corriea or Darnell please make room for a third outfielder? Preferably one with wheels.
    And who would that be? Wilson is barely a AA outfielder. The next guy in line is Kepler, who is not a center fielder, but he's playing there until Buxton comes back. The Red Wings have been using utility guys in center. The Rock Cats have been using a corner man (Ortiz).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Dozier, Plouffe and Hughes are part of the under-30 crowd for the Twins. The Twins do have vets Mauer and Perkins who can still likely help during and after the rebuild, but they just can't seem to stay away from the post-rebuild vets. Suzuki, Doumit, Pelfrey, Willingham and Correia were (laughably) win now moves. The Astros did some of that, (Crain, Feldman, Bedard) but not nearly as much as the Twins, and most importantly, only Feldman was signed to multiple years.
    I wouldn't call those moves "win now". They are "be respectable until the kids develop" moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cris E View Post
    What CF wants to come here knowing that Buxton is bearing down on his position?
    Pretty much any journeyman veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJL44 View Post
    Pretty much any journeyman veteran.
    Several of whom did sign with teams with top CF prospects, who were in AA or AAA.....and whose names were mentioned in one of these threads. Or, they could have signed a LF, who could play CF in an emergency. Heck, even having an actual CF in AAA would be nice.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I wouldn't call those moves "win now". They are "be respectable until the kids develop" moves.
    Those sound pretty similar to me. As much as I appreciate Suzuki's play, signing a starting C instead of a backup C who would only be expected to play 2x a week is or will hinder the opportunities for Pinto, Arcia, Parmelee and Herrmann regardless of how people feel about them.

    Of course at the time of the signing, we all thought the Twins WERE signing a backup C.

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    Man, the whole centerfield discussion...hard to think that we have quickly gone thru Hunter, Gomez, Span and Revere in such a short space of time. More surprising, centerfield was for the taking by Benson (quite a buildup at one time by Ryan) and Mastro, opportunities many players would pray for. Both failed. And it is Hick's for keeping, but unless he ahs a huge turnaround, his big payday won't be as a Twin or any other team. You can have talent, or be the msot talented kid on the block, but it doesn't guarantee major league success.
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    Thr problem with Florimon is that he is a bench/utility guy, who should get the showcase if someone goes down, and can flip around amongst teams for a decade or so as a glove man with some speed and maybe the ability to move a runner as long as he doesn't bat more than 2-3 times a game or 150 times a season. Being a starter actually hurts him. He can't showcase any hitting skills on a regular basis. Even if he does have a 2 or 3 hit game, it barely offsets the many o-fers that he makes during the week. Unlike names like Casilla and Rivas and Guzman, who actually could produce (but had head issues, some say), Pedro just can't hit major league pitching.
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    Call up the Cardinals and see what they want for either Jay or Bourjos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    But if someone is frustrated by three consecutive 95 loss seasons by the Twins, they'd stop watching baseball if they lived in Houston and had to watch that team for the past 500 games.
    Would? They had a game on teevee last season with a literal 0.0 Nielsen rating.

    http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2...s-game-sunday/

    / because Nielsen only goes to one digit after the decimal and rounds beyond that

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    I forgot about Benson! He wasn't quite as heralded as Hicks, but had he panned out as many thought he would he would be starting in CF right now (and last year) and Hicks could be figuring out AAA pitching. His star fell off a cliff rather quickly, unfortunately.

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    No Bernier and no Guerrier. I don't understand why either one is being considered.

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