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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    Should we do another lap on sample size? Kubel's had a lousy couple of weeks, no doubt about it. But he's earned a leash. Parmelee hasn't earned squat and its not for lack of opportunities.
    631 total PA's cobbled together over 3 years is opportunity? How much leash for Kubel? What's to be gained, the slight illusion of competitiveness for this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Of course it would be a center fielder. But he probably won't get claimed. Speedy little no-hit center fielders are like speedy little no-hit shortstops--a dime a dozen.
    And the Twins know the value of a dime.

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    Parmelee is a great AAA hitter. Unfortunately, he has proven, multiple times, he can't handle major league pitching... This is not going to help at all... He's another player who has no place in the Twins' future...
    Last edited by gmarais66; 05-09-2014 at 02:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Of course it would be a center fielder. But he probably won't get claimed.
    Hell hath no fury like a Toronto GM, scorned or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    Hell hath no fury like a Toronto GM, scorned or not.
    And then they'll release Mastroianni. Turn, turn, turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    And then they'll release Mastroianni. Turn, turn, turn.
    Hey, Darin can play a little centerfield. If that happens, we should grab him. And then I can re-adopt him in the Adopt-A-Prospect forum until he someday gets called up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    And then they'll release Mastroianni. Turn, turn, turn.
    Perhaps the plan is to have Toronto cycle through so many waiver claims they accidentally release Joey Bats and then we pounce!
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    Parmelee is 26... the same age that Dozier was last year when he "figured it out".

    Not saying Parmey is going to be a world-beater, but he went down to AAA and played very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmarais66 View Post
    Parmelee is a great AAA hitter. Unfortunately, he has proven, multiple times, he can't handle major league pitching... This is not going to help at all... He's another player who has no place in the Twins' future...
    Poor number in 600 some plate appearance scattered over 3 years is not proof. Countless valuable players have had poor numbers at the start of their careers.

    Talented coaches and staff who watch Parmelee every day should be able to make that assessment outside of the data. Their assessment spoke in the spring when he was designated and echoed by the lack of claim.

    Yet there are still many players who have been waived and gone on to have valuable careers.

    The Twins called him up and they need to give him a long stay in a regular role. That role could be a platoon role. It would eventually be at the expense of at bats for Kubel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Perhaps the plan is to have Toronto cycle through so many waiver claims they accidentally release Joey Bats and then we pounce!
    How many homers could Bautistasie hit at Target Field?

    Could he break Maris's single-season record?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    How many homers could Bautistasie hit at Target Field?

    Could he break Maris's single-season record?
    That would require Twins pitching to him, not on the same team

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    Quote Originally Posted by boom boom View Post
    could he break Ned Williamson's single-season record?
    ftfy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    ftfy
    Laudanum abuse was rampant among baseball players in 1884. Maybe with an asterisk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgenswest View Post
    Poor number in 600 some plate appearance scattered over 3 years is not proof. Countless valuable players have had poor numbers at the start of their careers.

    Talented coaches and staff who watch Parmelee every day should be able to make that assessment outside of the data. Their assessment spoke in the spring when he was designated and echoed by the lack of claim.

    Yet there are still many players who have been waived and gone on to have valuable careers.

    The Twins called him up and they need to give him a long stay in a regular role. That role could be a platoon role. It would eventually be at the expense of at bats for Kubel.
    I would guess that the number of valuable players who started their career with ~600 PA of poor numbers through age 25, or the number of valuable players who were waived at age 26, is not as great as you suggest. Particularly 1B/corner OF types and especially not given the breakdown of Parm's MLB production to date (90 great PA's in a September call-up, followed by 550 PAs of 84 OPS+ mediocrity at ages 24-25). Any valuable players with that background would sort of be the exceptions that prove the rule.

    That said, I am still all for giving Parm another chance this season, especially with our other corner OF/DH options scuffling.

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    Parmelee made his debut at 23.194 years (that's 194 days). So far in his career he has put up a .246/.322/.395/.717 line in 620 plate appearance.

    Kubel made his debut at 23.314 years and in his first 603 plate appearance put up a .253/.305/.406/.711 line (not counting HBP's).

    Kubel had 42 BB and 107 K
    Parmelee had 58 BB and 146 K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    Parmelee made his debut at 23.194 years (that's 194 days). So far in his career he has put up a .246/.322/.395/.717 line in 620 plate appearance.

    Kubel made his debut at 23.314 years and in his first 603 plate appearance put up a .253/.305/.406/.711 line (not counting HBP's).

    Kubel had 42 BB and 107 K
    Parmelee had 58 BB and 146 K.
    I think you counted years wrong and shortchanged Kubel by a year. Kubel was 22 when debuted, a full year-plus younger than Parmelee at the time of his debut. Kubel was also ranked #17 on Baseball America's top 100 prospect list the following winter. (Parm hasn't ranked on that list since hitting #94 when he was in rookie ball)

    Kubel also suffered a catastrophic knee injury shortly after that debut, which completely erased his age 23 season and rendered his age-24 season largely rehab (just 72 OPS+). The next year, his season OPS was about 93 at the time your sample ends, and he went on a tear the following two months to bring it up to 110 (his current career mark too). Parm has been a pretty consistent 84 OPS+ since his September debut, with no major injuries to report.

    I guess Parm didn't stay in MLB last July to have a similar opportunity to go on a tear, although he was striking out more than Kubel through July 2007, and had a lower ISO to boot.

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    Parmelee is definitely better defensively than Colabuckner. Parmelee is slow in the outfield, but he can track a ball and has a strong accurate arm. As for hitting, Parmelee rakes in AAA, but can't seem to do so with the Twins. I hope he gets it together this time around.

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    All I know is Parmelee is a huge upgrade over Hermann. He's about as good as Kubel at this stage. That's not a bad thing on this team at this stage.
    "If you'da been thinkin' you wouldn't 'a thought that.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that he's terrible at the positions he plays, I actually agree that he's a little underrated, but at the end of the day he's a slow-footed corner OF and first baseman. That's pretty much all the way at the left end of the defensive spectrum.
    He's slow footed, but he reads the ball good and has a strong accurate arm. He's a lot better defensively than some of the duds Gardy has been trotting out there this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    I think you counted years wrong and shortchanged Kubel by a year. Kubel was 22 when debuted, a full year-plus younger than Parmelee at the time of his debut. Kubel was also ranked #17 on Baseball America's top 100 prospect list the following winter. (Parm hasn't ranked on that list since hitting #94 when he was in rookie ball)

    Kubel also suffered a catastrophic knee injury shortly after that debut, which completely erased his age 23 season and rendered his age-24 season largely rehab (just 72 OPS+). The next year, his season OPS was about 93 at the time your sample ends, and he went on a tear the following two months to bring it up to 110 (his current career mark too). Parm has been a pretty consistent 84 OPS+ since his September debut, with no major injuries to report.

    I guess Parm didn't stay in MLB last July to have a similar opportunity to go on a tear, although he was striking out more than Kubel through July 2007, and had a lower ISO to boot.
    You are missing the point. They debuted at essentially the same age -- my math error change is from 120 days younger to 245 days older. They both sucked for the first 600 plate appearances. One clicked at the end. One hasn't been given a chance. Given the alternatives, don't you think he should be given a chance now.

    What Kubel could have been before the injury is irrelevant. Parmelee likely won't be as good as Kubel was in his prime but there is a chance that he could. He definitely could be better than Kubel now. And next year. Etc.

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