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    Article: Twins Draft Preview: Nick Gordon

    Scouting Report: Tools - Power: 30, Hitting: 50, Arm: 60, Defense: 40, Speed: 40. "Line drive swing and shows good contact and on-base abilities. Double's power at his peak. Strong arm from 2B or the OF, stiff hands. Not a fast runner, but above average instincts on the bases. Skinny body doesn't look the part, but can sneak up on you. ACL surgery sapped much of his athleticism." (Probably)
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    No problem taking Gordon but I will say Escobar has been a pleasant surprise. I was not high on him when we got him but he has won me over for the time being. Santana also looks like he could stick. Best part is I really haven't seen a drop off in defense since Florimon left. These guys have turned a huge weakness into a strength. Hopefully they can keep it up.

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    Escobar is just fine as a starting shortstop. Santana could be ok if things pan out. Polanco could play there. Goodrum...

    But you always draft best available player because in 4-6 years, when Gordon is ready to debut, we don't know if the Twins will have a shortstop. We don't know anything about where they'll be in four years besides, hopefully, in center field where two years ago, the Twins took a guy at a position said to have plenty of depth because they were convicted in the thought that Mr. Buxton was the best player available.

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    You can never have enough pitching. Hope the Twins will take one of the top 3 if they fall to them. Not sold on Nola as scouts have him rated anywhere from a two on down. If one of the big three are not there hope the Twins will take either Jackson or Gordon, though neither is a lock.
    Only edge Nola has is that he could be here by 2016, that could be huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    ....because they were convicted in the thought that Mr. Buxton was the best player...
    I think half of Twins Daily is facing prison time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Escobar is just fine as a starting shortstop. Santana could be ok if things pan out. Polanco could play there. Goodrum...

    But you always draft best available player because in 4-6 years, when Gordon is ready to debut, we don't know if the Twins will have a shortstop. We don't know anything about where they'll be in four years besides, hopefully, in center field where two years ago, the Twins took a guy at a position said to have plenty of depth because they were convicted in the thought that Mr. Buxton was the best player available.
    I have heard our board has the three pitchers (Aiken, Rodon, Kolek), then Gordon. So we probably end up with Gordon (I think Jackson will go ahead of Gordon)

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    The real quesiton here is this: Can he play CF?

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    Its true Seth, Injuries, free agency, position changes all argue that you don't draft out of need. Mauer came up when we had a very solid catcher in AJ and though some may not think so now it worked out pretty well for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes929 View Post
    Its true Seth, Injuries, free agency, position changes all argue that you don't draft out of need. Mauer came up when we had a very solid catcher in AJ and though some may not think so now it worked out pretty well for us.
    I am guessing Prior's career WAR is much higher.

    HOF caliber numbers:

    59% winning percentage. 3.51 career ERA, 1.22 WHIP. 10.4 K per 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    I am guessing Prior's career WAR is much higher.

    HOF caliber numbers:

    59% winning percentage. 3.51 career ERA, 1.22 WHIP. 10.4 K per 9.
    Doesn't anyone remember that Prior would not come here?? As per USA Today June 17, 2010... "Prior made it clear, through his father, Jerry, that he wanted nothing to do with the Twins. Jerry Prior was emphatic that his son would not be signing with Minnesota..."

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    You'd be guessing wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    I am guessing Prior's career WAR is much higher.

    HOF caliber numbers:

    59% winning percentage. 3.51 career ERA, 1.22 WHIP. 10.4 K per 9.
    Prior only pitched for five years.

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    Not sure, Dave....but I think there was sarcasm in tobi0040's post........
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Not sure, Dave....but I think there was sarcasm in tobi0040's post........
    Bingo.

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    In the draft thread several people brought up the poor draft history of drafting HS SS and them actually sticking at the position. Looking at the last 4 drafts here are the HS SS drafted:

    2010
    Manny Machado (3rd)
    Cito Culver (33nd)

    2011
    Fransico Lindor (8th)
    Javier Baez (9th)
    Jake Hager (32nd)

    2012
    Carlos Correa (1st)
    Addison Russell (11th)
    Gavin Cecchini (12th)
    Corey Seager (18th)

    2013
    J.P. Crawford (16th)
    Christian Arroyo (25th)

    Machado has been playing 3B but that is because of Hardy not the lack of ability to play the position. Culver/Hager/Arroyo were all selected outside of the top 20 with Arroyo being considered the biggest reach in the draft last year. Law just released his updated top 25 and here are how the others did. Correa #2, Russell #5, Lindor #6, Baez #9, Seager # 11, and Crawford # 19. Seager was pegged when drafted to move off the position with Correa/Baez being players who might out grow the position in the future. Pretty solid group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    But you always draft best available player because in 4-6 years, when Gordon is ready to debut, we don't know if the Twins will have a shortstop.
    Pitching talent is always the coin du realme in the MLB. Right now it looks like the Twins have lots of potential talent in the minors, but history reveals that most of that promise will evaporate somewhere along that long, winding tube before it drips into that big old jug of sweet white lightnin' we all want a taste of.

    We all know Tyler Kolek's got lightning in his bottle, but will it keep for three years while he figures out how to pick corners with a curve? I got my eye on a vintage more like Aaron Nola, dude that's got game right now. Some say it ain't so, but I think Nola will hit the MLB with a shot of strong stuff inside a year.

    Meanwhile, a guy like Nick Gordon could turn out just fine, like a real good beer. But which metaphor tastes better? Which is the heavier figurative boot in the ass of this weak tea of a team?

    You can trade one jug of white lightning for several cases of good beer, not to mention all the weak tea you can stomach. Take a pitcher!

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    I think predicting this draft, from all accounts and rumors I've read, make this a real crapshoot. Lots of talent to be had for sure, but seems to be unpredictable who will take who.

    Really like what I've seen of Escobar so far, a d generally impressed with Santana as well. Their approach at the plate is something I've been watching closely. Neither appears intimidated or "lost" up there, that's especially important to the less experienced Santana. With his bat, we all hope Polanco could be the answer. And while never seeing him in person, I'm not so sure Goodrum isn't the best SS prospect in the system, based on reports.

    But not only has SS been kind of a black hole for a long time, but as smartly pointed out, you not only go for BPA overall, but in 4+ years from now, how can you know what your needs will be. I guess, overall, Gordon has replaced Turner as the best infield talent available, and the direction we will probably go. I just wish I could be a little more excited about his projectability for a #5 pick. I'm not real concerned about plus power in Gordon, but wish his hit and or speed factors rated a little higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb0252 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    I am guessing Prior's career WAR is much higher.

    HOF caliber numbers:

    59% winning percentage. 3.51 career ERA, 1.22 WHIP. 10.4 K per 9.
    Lol, no.

    Prior's career WAR is significantly lower than Mauer's. Prior hasn't pitched in the ML for the better half of the past decade.

    Prior's WAR is 15.7, with peak of 7.4 in 2003Mauer's WAR is 44.4, with peak of 7.7 in 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Johnson View Post
    Lol, no.

    Prior's career WAR is significantly lower than Mauer's. Prior hasn't pitched in the ML for the better half of the past decade.

    Prior's WAR is 15.7, with peak of 7.4 in 2003Mauer's WAR is 44.4, with peak of 7.7 in 2009
    Sarcasm alert.

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