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    Quote Originally Posted by tobi0040 View Post
    I have tried making this point before and am surprised you still hear the every day argument. Every play is primarily batter vs. pitcher. So a starting pitcher that pitches 7 innings is in on 39% of the plays (7 / 18), versus the hitter at 5.5% of the plays (1 / 18)
    Sometimes I'd really like to sticky quotes like this. Starting pitching is the most important position on the field, and in my opinion it isn't close. I'm not saying draft a pitcher if someone like Jackson is the best available at 5, but this once every 5 games thing should not be the reason to not draft or pay money for good pitching.

    I'd note that the starting pitcher that goes 7 innings will also see a very similar amount plate appearances as a hitter over 5 days... and that pitcher has far more control over the outcome than than the hitter.

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    With the (most likely purely posturing) rumors that Jackson, Aiken and Rodon are all slipping because they are demanding top-2 money, would anyone spend the $6 Million to sign one if they dropped to the Twins, but then have spend the rest of the draft picking cheap players? Personally, I don't think that the gap between those three players and the next tier (Newcomb, Touissant, et. al ) is large enough to justify that kind of move. Does anyone feel differently?

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    Personal top 25:

    1. Aiken
    2. Kolek
    3. Rodon
    4. Jackson
    5. Gordon
    6. Holmes
    7. Touki
    8. Newcomb
    9. Nola
    10. Zimmer
    11. Pentecost
    12. Derek Hill
    13. Conforto
    14. Turner
    15. Beede
    16. Freeland (if not for health rumors he would be a few spots higher)
    17. Monte Harrison
    18. Hoffman
    19. Luis Ortiz
    20. Gatewood
    21. Sean Reid-Foley
    22. Kyle Schwarber
    23. Spencer Adams
    24. Derek Fisher
    25. Braxton Davidson

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    Keith Law chat just started (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/50718). First question Twins related, which he sort of dodges, but emphasizes Twins/Gordon pick:

    Kirk (The TC)

    Extreme "What if" question - Twins have been very high on Nola and especially Gordon. You have Nola going #3 and others mention the Cubs at #4 possibly going after Gordon. In that scenario, who do you see the Twins going for? Kolek?

    Klaw (1:06 PM)

    I don't think the Cubs take Gordon. He's not going before 5, and the Twins will take him there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    Best rumor of the day - Manual at BA: "One scouting source in the top 10 believed both San Diego prep players, Aiken and Rancho Bernardoís Alex Jackson, were falling to the back of the top 10 due to signability questions." If Aiken was there at #5 ... Anyway, Manual's mock has us taking Gordon.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mock-draft-5-0-aiken-looks-like-no-1/
    Aiken will never get more money than he will get this year. At least it's not worth the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfraRen View Post
    Keith Law chat just started. First question Twins related, which he sort of dodges, but emphasizes Twins/Gordon pick:

    Kirk (The TC)



    Extreme "What if" question - Twins have been very high on Nola and especially Gordon. You have Nola going #3 and others mention the Cubs at #4 possibly going after Gordon. In that scenario, who do you see the Twins going for? Kolek?
    Klaw (1:06 PM)




    I don't think the Cubs take Gordon. He's not going before 5, and the Twins will take him there.
    I bet Nola goes 6-8

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    More KLAW chat tidbits:

    Fred (Austin, TX)

    It sounds like you see far more upside In Nick Gordon than his brother

    Klaw (1:09 PM)

    No question.

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    Andrew (MPLS) [via mobile]

    Put on your front office hat. If you were the Twins wouldn't you have to take Kolek if he falls to you? You can never have enough power arms with upside!

    Klaw (1:10 PM)

    "Have to?" No. I like Kolek but he's a long-term prospect, not a quick mover.

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    I'd be a happy man if the Sox took Nola at 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diehardtwinsfan View Post
    I'd be a happy man if the Sox took Nola at 3.
    Ditto
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    Just like Keith Law to not answer a question and make the asker feel like an idiot.

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    Keith Law's mock today:

    Twins taking Gordon...

    Analysis: This is the lock of the draft. Unless Brady Aiken gets here, which he won't, they're taking Gordon.

    And that's with Koleck still available. Aiken, Rodon, Nola, Conforto...Twins taking Gordon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twins Twerp View Post
    Just like Keith Law to not answer a question and make the asker feel like an idiot.
    Or to answer and insult the person asking the quesiton.

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    With Newcomb picking up some steam, who has a good breakdown on his scouting report?

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    My top 8
    Jackson
    Aiken
    Kolek
    Newcomb
    Conforto
    Hoffman
    Schwarber
    Nola.

    Not big on Gordon mainly because of contant and discipline and some vague character issues here and there.

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    Heyo:


    Klaw (1:44 PM)

    I think I answered this earlier, but I did hear this afternoon that the Twins could switch to Kolek from Gordon if both are there - I don't believe that they WILL, but that it's not a slam-dunk as I indicated in the mock.

    Also:

    Chris Crawford @CrawfordChrisV
    Think the pick would be Jackson. MT @InfraRen in the scenario Gordon/Nola are gone by Twins pick, do you think they'd take Kolek?


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    Quote Originally Posted by biswrest View Post
    With Newcomb picking up some steam, who has a good breakdown on his scouting report?
    Junior at Hartford. He gets comps to Jon Lester. 6'5 240, lefthanded, throws 90-94 according to the MLB draft board. Slider, Curve, changeup. He had an impressive run (30 innings?) without allowing an ER this spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willihammer View Post
    Junior at Hartford. He gets comps to Jon Lester. 6'5 240, lefthanded, throws 90-94 according to the MLB draft board. Slider, Curve, changeup. He had an impressive run (30 innings?) without allowing an ER this spring.
    FB 50-65 SL 55-70 Change 40-50. Command 40-50.

    He gets dinged a bit because he came on late and does not face top competition. But if you buy the 20-80 scores I would love the pick

    Love the comp to Lester and he looks like Lester.

    Some video

    http://metsminors.net/2014-mlb-draft...-sean-newcomb/

    Write Up

    http://www.mymlbdraft.com/2014/mlb-d...s/Sean-Newcomb
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    So why is Kolek #3 on your board?
    Klaw (2:02 PM)


    Because he's 6'6" and throws 100 mph with a chance for a 60 or 70 slider. He looks totally uncoached to me.
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    This stuff about Gordon being a near "lock" for the Twins seems a bit odd. Is there a team with tighter lips than the Twins? No one is reporting any worthwhile quotes from the front office. It all seems like conjecture due to the Twins heavy presence at Gordon's games, and conjecture is not a "lock." Also to consider, Gordon played 2 1/2 hours away from the team's home base at Ft. Myers. It stands to reason they saw him play a lot.

    I wouldn't be upset with Gordon, but I'd probably be disappointed if they passed up Kolek, who by the way the Twins also had scouts constantly follow, including Deron Johnson.

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