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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    So, who do you bring up? If it's a reward for their success, then it should be 1.) May, 2.) Johnson, 3.) Achter, 4.) Pino, 5.) Meyer...
    Johnson already was "rewarded" this year (not too impressively). You didn't mention Darnell, and he vastly outperformed Johnson in his major league appearance. Pino is a minor league journeyman. Achter is having a good year, but there's a reason he is a relief pitcher.

    You should reward the best talent if it's a close call, therefore... May...Meyer...
    Last edited by jokin; 06-10-2014 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    But "ready" in whose mind? Ours? Just checking.
    Speaking for myself, yes. But I also fully accept that what I think may differ from what the front office thinks. But since so much of this is speculation anyway, my position is that, if I were GM, when the pitcher is ready and there is a spot open, I move him up regardless of where the Super 2 deadline is. Lots of "ifs." The one thing that isn't really an "if" in my mind is whether or not the Super 2 deadline applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    So, who do you bring up? If it's a reward for their success, then it should be 1.) May, 2.) Johnson, 3.) Achter, 4.) Pino, 5.) Meyer...
    Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

    It's been an encouraging staff down there for sure, but Johnson and Pino are each in their 6th season in AAA. And Achter is a reliever (Pino has been one too).

    Promotion should be based on not just performance, but also talent (and of course position and duration of need -- no sense activating Meyer for a single spot start). If Meyer and May are anywhere close to Johnson & Pino in performance, they should get the first nods for any long-term MLB starting pitching openings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    But "ready" in whose mind? Ours? Just checking.
    Well, that's always subjective, isn't it? Fans probably have a tendency to be too aggressive, while owners may tend to protect the perceived pocketbook too often. Tough to say, but the numbers put up lately by May especially would tell most that he can compete well at the MLB level. Tough to argue against Meyer as well, though there's a bit less of a track record there.

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    It is not possible to be ready to pitch consistently in the major leagues by pitching to AAA hitters. That may take 50 major league starts following successful accomplishment of AAA.

    It also is not possible to look at AAA data beyond the basic rate numbers (K, BB, GB, FB) in support of an argument over who should be called up.

    I do hope May and Meyer will start their major league adjustment soon. I expect struggle and would not be surprised if they performed similarly to Gibson's 2013.

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    I am still in the camp of bringing May and Meyer up and putting them in medium to low leverage situations out of the bullpen a la the Cardinals. It saves innings on their arms and they can get a taste of the big show. Guys like Burton and Guerrier are a dime a dozen. I would think even Correia has more value than they do. If Correia is awful move him to the bullpen (or DFA eventually) and promote May or Meyer to the rotation. Meyer still isn't even on the 40-man yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    Promotion should be based on not just performance, but also talent (and of course position and duration of need -- no sense activating Meyer for a single spot start). If Meyer and May are anywhere close to Johnson & Pino in performance, they should get the first nods for any long-term MLB starting pitching openings.
    I 100% agree with this... but someone made the comment that it was about rewarding performance, and if that's the case, Meyer is down the chart. Not that he's pitching poorly by any means...

    When the front office says it's about who is ready, it has to more with a lot more than just numbers. it's about readiness, and it's about them being able to succeed.

    For Pino, there's clearly some reason that he has never been given a chance despite being pretty solid in AAA for a long time. For him, I'd love to see a cup of coffee and just see if it could possibly translate at all (not likely).

    For Achter, we don't know. Yes, he's a reliever, but he's dominating in a way that Tonkin hasn't. Tonkin is the better prospect and may have the better future, but at some point, when you're pitching like Achter, you have earned a shot too.

    May and Meyer, clearly, are the guys with the bigger futures (in theory based on prospect status which is based on "stuff", "Makeup", scouting reports and much more). They will both get their shots. No question about it, and we hope that at least one of them can be a 2 or 3, and maybe even a true #1 (though those are so rare)... They'll get there, but my thing is that it 1.) can't be about the numbers alone, and 2.) I won't pretend I know what's best for them. If they aren't up, there is some reason, and I will not believe that it's because of the Futures Game or even the Super 2.

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