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    Unless anyone thinks Rizzoti, Bates or Colabello are long term options there's not much else to look forward to at 1B. None look like more than bench bats though.

    If Sano and Harrison both turn into power hitters capable of hitting MLB pitching, I'm sure the club would be interested in flipping one of them to the other side of the diamond but that is still years down the road. Parmelee, Mauer and Doumit seem to be the only options this year and probably just Parmelee and Mauer next unless the team wants to go the free agent route. James Loney would bore me to death. I would pass and prefer to continue to gamble on Parmelee at that point. I would be ok with someone like Carlos Pena though. A terrible average turns people off but his OBP makes him tolerable. His power and defense are terrific and in my book he is undervalued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanewahl View Post
    By 2014/2015 it will probably be Sano. Parmelee might end up being a 1B/RF part-timer, LH pinch-hitter. Let's hope that is the case.
    This is true - so maybe Mauer should be learning 3B to go along with C. Sano isn't a great fielder - but we need his bat.

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    Why not bring up Aaron Bates? He's a good 1B, and his average probably won't go lower than it already is so far, .237. Might even go up a bit. He's hit over .300 a few times in the minors, including last year, .316 at AAA Rochester. If we're just talking respectable replacements, Bates seems logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosterman View Post
    Until Justin makes it a four-man rotation, keep playing Parmelee as he is the future (Bates, Rizzoti, etc. aren't). He needs a look. But, please bring up Revere and let him play everday until Justin returns. Let's get something going on the basepaths. Sadly, playing the Rule 5 guy is a slap in the face of a Twins #1 draft pick.
    With the Twins having Komatsu and with Willingham in LF, it is going to be hard to shoehorn Revere into the lineup. Komatsu made an error last night, but I'm sure that Willingham would never have gotten to the ball in the first place. I don't see the point of having Revere around unless he has a place to play. It looks to me like that place would be CF if Span is injured or traded.

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    Stats through Saturday;

    2010 88 Plate Appearances - .355/.443/.592 (1.035) with 6 doubles, 4 home runs and 14 RBI. 12 BB, 13 K.
    2011 87 Plate Appearances - .188/.253/.275 (0.528) with 5 doubles, 1 triple, 0 HR and 3 RBI. 5 BB, 20 K.

    I think it's Parmelee that goes to Rochester whenever Justin Morneau comes off of the Disabled List.

    This isn't about Parmelee not being a prospect. It's about buying the small sample size of September and then spring training. We all hoped he would step up and be ready, but it's a reminder that pushing prospects is not always the right thing to do. There are rare examples where it works out, but this is true in pushing prospects to the big leagues or to any of the lower levels.

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    Plouffe isn't going anywhere/ He's out of options, so he'll just keep moving around. Looks like first base may be his new home...the Twins are becoming a "Who's on..." skit. Casilla on third, I don't know in right, tomorrow pitching because today stinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Stats through Saturday;

    2010 88 Plate Appearances - .355/.443/.592 (1.035) with 6 doubles, 4 home runs and 14 RBI. 12 BB, 13 K.
    2011 87 Plate Appearances - .188/.253/.275 (0.528) with 5 doubles, 1 triple, 0 HR and 3 RBI. 5 BB, 20 K.

    I think it's Parmelee that goes to Rochester whenever Justin Morneau comes off of the Disabled List.



    This isn't about Parmelee not being a prospect. It's about buying the small sample size of September and then spring training. We all hoped he would step up and be ready, but it's a reminder that pushing prospects is not always the right thing to do. There are rare examples where it works out, but this is true in pushing prospects to the big leagues or to any of the lower levels.

    Absolutely correct in my view, any criticism of Parmelee isn't fair and right now it's increasingly becoming a disservice for him to be up here. I don't understand why people get so out of joint when others suggest Parmelee should go to Rochester, it's not a slight on the guy, it's where he belongs right now so he may have more value later. Everybody seems to forget he's basically straight out of A ball.

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    Wrote this on April 2 on one of these threads where the Parmelee excitement was a little out of control:

    Parmelee euphoria, I love it. Where solid rationale goes out the window.

    I won't go into the minor league numbers, which were extremely consistent and everyone knows (K rate high, hit rate pretty low). Parmelee was all along touted to be an eventual major leaguer. He's fulfilling that promise right now. But he's pretty much been projected to be a second division regular if everything goes his way. Justin Morneau was projected to be an all-star. To even put them in the same sentence, unless that sentence starts with "Due to Morneau's inability to play first base..." is blasphemy. Parmelee's upside, meaning if everything goes right (which they usually don't) is hitting like Cuddyer. Problem is, Cuddyer's numbers were not good, not first-division, for a 1st baseman. And make no mistake, it's highly unlikely Parmelee ever plays much OF.*

    In 2008 Denard Span completely "found it." In 2011 Trevor Plouffe had something click that hadn't shown itself before. And then in September Parmelee had a good month. Unfortunately, good Septembers happen to a lot of eventually mediocre players. He's followed that up with a very good spring training...again, not normally the basis for sound projections.

    So...here's my thought based on all the evidence: Most likely scenario is that Parmelee is a mediocre, below average 1B. However, we have no evidence that the Span-type light didn't come on. The Plouffe AAA sudden explosion. In other words, there's hope that something special clicked. I hope so, too. But realistically, Parmelee is going to be below average as soon as MLB pitchers discover how to pitch to him. Here's crossing our fingers.

    *Almost the only way Parmelee plays in the OF is if he's in the lineup with Morneau, Mauer, and Doumit, AND Mauer is at 1B. In other words, I don't think it's going to happen all that often.


    Six weeks isn't enough to crucify him, either, but the rational prior on Parmelee was that he is who his AA stats say he is. In other words, an eventual second-line MLBer who needs to be in AAA right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Thank you! Don't forget also that it is "Liam Hendriks," not "Liam Hendricks." I'll give people a pass on Mastroianni, but not for too long. He's been around the org for a couple of months now.
    I thought is was "Lame Handricks"

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    He should not have been up here in the first place, not if your organizational strategy is to only bring guys up when they are ready. He's not ready, nor is there any indication in the minors he ever will be (compare him to other AA first basemen last year.....). Ploffe should play every day, to see if he has a chance, since he's out of options. Parmalee, otoh, should be in AAA practicing. 2nd choice would be him playing every day. 3rd choice would be doing what they are doing....
    Lighten up Francis....

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