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    Who is going to be the first...

    To explain how this game was a fluke, and we're still the worst team ever and we should fire everybody?

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    To be balanced, we should also wonder who's going to be the first to annoint Dozier the best Twins shortstop since ____. Hard to say who's truly first on most stuff since both sides are essentially ongoing at all times! Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spideyo View Post
    To explain how this game was a fluke, and we're still the worst team ever and we should fire everybody?
    I watched the Angel's telecast and they blamed the loss on Haren's stiff back and on the fact that the Angels had not seen Diamond before.

    I think that the truth is that the Twins played a decent game and that Dozier is off to a promising start.
    Last edited by glunn; 05-08-2012 at 11:35 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by spideyo View Post
    To explain how this game was a fluke, and we're still the worst team ever and we should fire everybody?
    Whatcha Mean? The new story line for the season is "A Diamond in the Rough and the Bull Dozier". I am the first to exclaim this point!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spideyo View Post
    To explain how this game was a fluke, and we're still the worst team ever and we should fire everybody?
    I think a bunch of those guys finally noticed the acorn.

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    Whether the Angels have seen Diamond or not, I will take 7 scoreless innings any day of the week. I was also impressed with Dozier. I know we should expect some ups and downs with him, but hopefully he can continue to play hard, learn, and develop confidence at this level.
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    Fluke or not, I enjoy seeing actual prospects playing who look confident and perform. Hendriks looked confident but didn't perform, but I would still lump him in with Dozier and Diamond. I have been calling for Diamond since Liriano's bad start almost 3 weeks ago.

    One thing to think about is that playing prospects full-time and winning more games are not mutually exclusive. Now Parmelee has been both unlucky and preyed upon (see Parker's excellent article) and probably needs to head back down, but I am starting to like what Rochester is giving the Twins.

    Now . . . will they (Rochester) stop wasting time playing joke players like Joe Thurston?

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    By far the most encouraging thing I've seen over the past couple days has been Dozier's defense at short. There seemed to be some doubt even within the organization as to whether he could play short in the majors, but he's shown plenty in these two games to inspire confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Nelson View Post
    By far the most encouraging thing I've seen over the past couple days has been Dozier's defense at short. There seemed to be some doubt even within the organization as to whether he could play short in the majors, but he's shown plenty in these two games to inspire confidence.
    Yes, on two fronts, from tonight's game (didn't see much of Monday's game): one, he made a ballsy sliding play and popped up quickly with a strong throw to first, and two, not ballsy, but fundamentally sound . . . he charges the damn ball. Charging the ball makes up for any average arm (which it may be, but average is still, well, good enough).

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    Twins about ready to get hot!

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    *Championship*

    Last night's win was great - it's not the end of bad games for the Twins, but it sure was nice. I'm optimistic that Pavano can out-pitch Ervin Santana and the Twins can win another series against the Angels tonight!

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    Great game last night. The only bad part of it was the fact that Valencia looked horrible at the plate. Game easily could have been 8-0.

    And Dozier is the best SS we've has since Hardy.
    I bent my wookie...

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    [QUOTE=Gernzy;16010 And Dozier is the best SS we've has since Hardy.[/QUOTE]

    And the meal I had at Applebees was the best one I've had since I ate at Kenny Rogers Roasters.

    Dozier had a good game, loved it but it was his 2nd game, don't open him up to the piranhas on this site waiting for him to fail.

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    I thought is was a very encouraging game. Dozier was playing some pretty good defense. Let's hope he keeps that up. I didn't see him play on Monday, so this was the first chance I had to see him in action. He seems to have a pretty strong arm as well.

    Diamond pitched a good game. Let's hope he keeps that up as well.
    You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.

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    Both Dozier and Diamond are probably being praised (and pulled for) more than a typical newcomer because the need is so great at their positions. To have a shortstop who is average or better on offense and defense has been a rarity and last year's situation at short and second was the worst I've ever seen for the Twins. Starting pitching is an area of glaring need as well.

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    Compared to Nishioka he's amazing. Verdict is still out comparing him to Carroll. They both are great on defense and Dozier had more upside with the bat.
    Yes I know it's only been 2 games but he could be the staple we need at SS.
    I bent my wookie...

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    I don't like the word "fluke" because it implies that the outcome isn't legitimate. The win last night was legitimate. It also so happens that sometimes teams throw out a lineup and pitcher inferior to the other team, and still win occasionally in the course of a 162-game season. It HAS to be to the case, otherwise the "worst" team in the league would be 0-162, as opposed to winning 40-60 games.

    Diamond was 4-14 with a 5.56 ERA and 1.57 WHIP at Triple-A last year. He had much better stats prior to that, but my point is that this isn't like an "Anthony Slama" situation where the guy has an impeccable track record in the minors, but is nonetheless deemed as not having big league stuff. Fortunately for Diamond, even a 5.56 ERA would have made him a better option than Hendriks, Blackburn or Liriano so far.

    As for Dozier, I'm absolutely rooting for him. There is nothing to be gained by playing 38-year old Jamey Carroll on a bad team while overripe mid-to-low-tier prospect languish away in the minors.

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    I'm just glad that we won and that Diamond pitched well against a relatively (?) potent lineup. I also like that the strikeout has become part of his game.

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    The best starting pitching performance of the year came from the guy who was 7 or maybe 8 on the SP depth chart. Don't expect Diamond to be dominant, but at the very least he pitched with more confidence than we've seen out of Liriano and Hendriks. I like Diamond, but we also liked Duensing as a starter as well until he got overexposed.

    I can see why Gardy liked what he saw out of Dozier, he seems to position himself well and has good fielding instincts. I expect his hitting to come back to earth, though.

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    Incidentally, did anybody notice this blurb from Hunter:

    Asked if this was another game where the Angels have to tip their cap to the opposing pitcher, Hunter said: "No, I'm not doing that this time. I tip my cap to Morrow, Alvarez. [Diamond] pitched a good game."

    Seems like kind of a dick thing to say.

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