06-19-2014, 09:31 AM #61
On a rebuilding team, no one is trully "untouchable" but for the sake of argument I would list the following players as untouchable (Only way I would trade them is if some team truly throws the farm at the Twins, we are talking about a cant miss future star player and a few other pieces...i.e never say never, but it won't happen)
are all untouchable in my book due to their current and/or future skill set.
Guys like Nolasco and Mauer are untouchable as well, due to contract/having a bad year. I would never trade Mauer, and I think Nolasco will turn it around.
Pretty sure we can't trade Perkins with his new contract (NTC I believe?) which is 100% fine with me, we have a truly elite closer on a very, very team friendly deal.
That leaves the following players that I believe the Twins should explore trading (only if we are 6+ games out) Odds assume the Twins are "out" of it :
Plouffe- With Sano as the future 3B Plouffe is obviously in a bit of a no mans land, however he does have some nice versatility for the Twins and Sano may not be ready for the majors until mid next year anyways. Plouffe ultimately could become Cuddyer part 2 for us. I wouldn't "trade him just to trade him" but if someone wants to give up a top 50 prospect or someone that can play SS then I would listen. Otherwise, hold onto him until Sano is ready and figure out where he fits. Odds: 10% this season. 35% sometime in 2015.
Pinto- Prob a bit too early to consider trading him, however if the Twins are convinced that he won't stick defensively at Catcher (and nothing they have said indicates so) maybe it would make sense to stick him out there, however I don't think it is the right time. Odds: 5% this year.
Suzuki- Has been a real nice player for the Twins this year, I think if the Twins fall out of it you have to see if he would be willing to sign a two year extension prior to the deadline, if he flat out says no or wants to hit the FA market I think you have to move him. Odds: 20% traded. 80% signed to an extension.
Willingham- If the Twins are out if it I think its almost a certainty that they would trade Willingham if he was healthy. Odds: 90%
Morales- This one is really tough. I imagine they would make sure Morales was fine with being shopped before they even considered doing so, the last thing I would want them to do is burn bridges with a Cuban player and a Boras client. Personally I would keep him around all year and try to sign him to an extension. Odds: 25% traded. 50% extension. 25% Stays around and walks at the end of the season.
Escobar- Has played admirably for the Twins this season, has some nice flexibility in positions he can play. Perhaps has more trade value then many would think. However, the Twins desperately need SS moving forward and there are no real ones in the org who will step up in the next year or two, unless Santana of course can keep all of this up. Odds: 10% traded. 30% if Santana can prove to be the SS of the near future.
Correia- Again if the Twins are out of it I think its a near certainty he would be traded. Odds: 90%
Burton- No real trade value at this point, I guess if he starts pulling it together he could be traded, I just don't see it happening. (10%)"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
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06-19-2014, 09:33 AM #62"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
06-19-2014, 09:34 AM #63"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
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06-19-2014, 09:44 AM #66
I know I would be pretty pissed if I took a job that moved me across the country, then 5 months later they transferred me across the other side of the country."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
06-19-2014, 09:45 AM #67
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06-19-2014, 09:48 AM #69
If he wanted to start there for a week or so, fine. But he kept those demands there. The reason Willingham wasn't dealt wasn't because the best they could do is a C prospect. He wasn't dealt because the Twins set a bar so high no real talks ever started.
06-19-2014, 09:48 AM #70
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06-19-2014, 09:51 AM #71"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
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06-19-2014, 09:54 AM #73"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
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06-19-2014, 09:58 AM #75
Is that an absolute truth? No, but it's a mountain of evidence vs. one report that may have existed that I can't find no matter how many ways I google it. Sorry, but I tend to side towards mountains of evidence that fall in line with team habits. What you're doing is clinging to minuscule evidence (that so far no one can even find) because it fits your narrative.
06-19-2014, 09:59 AM #76
I keep producing evidence, it'd be swell if some of you would start to suggest some counter-evidence you claim exists.
06-19-2014, 09:59 AM #77
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At every trade deadline there are many rumors. Rumors planted by teams on order to drive up value. Rumors started by agents to generate interest. There is no way to know of there is any substance.
The reality is that there are very few trades of very good prospects. Last year there were four guys traded that appeared on a top 100 list kept by baseball reference. Avisial Garcia appeared on one list. Jose Iglesias and Mike Olt appeared in all three. The fourth CJ Edwards was on the rise and appeared on 2014 lists (but not 2013). Iglesias and Garcia were involved in the same three way trade with Jake Peavy. The other two were part of the Garza deal.
If you want to get a very good prospect, trade a middle to top of the rotation starting pitcher. Catchers, shortstops and centerfielders also can get better prospects because they can not easily be replaced.
Corner players and relievers are in abundance and get little in return in trade. Here is a list of all of the 2012 trades.
We know for sure that these were the teams willing to deal for a corner player. Where does Willingham go? The Twins were better off keeping him.
Looking through the many C prospects that exchanged hands that summer, the Twins look to have done pretty well with Escobar.
06-19-2014, 10:03 AM #78
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I would trade Hughes, but only for a Shields like return and nothing else. Since that isn't likely to happen, I would keep him.
06-19-2014, 10:05 AM #79
At the end of the day Willingham as long as he stays healthy, still has some trade value, additionally if things break right he could be a very big reason why the Twins can potentially give us meaningful games to watch in August and hopefully Sept/Oct."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- L. Harvey Oswald
06-19-2014, 10:08 AM #80
If we become sellers - who goes?
Yesterday I looked at the standings and although we are only 6.5 games out of first, that could be 10+ in less than a week the way the Royals are playing. Also, we are 7th worst in all of MLB according to record.
So, if we become sellers, who goes? I would assume Morales is definitely gone. Suzuki is a nice trade chip. Willingham could get a decent AA or High-A player. The way Correia is pitching the last couple starts, he may fetch a decent prospect too. So, here's what I got:
Morales - Yes (unless he has a no trade clause?)
Suzuki - Maybe (depends how much they value him for next year over Pinto)
Willingham - Yes (this is obvious)
Correia - If someone comes hunting for him, then absolutely Yes
Who else from there? Nunez? Fien? Burton? Plouffe? Hicks? Diamond?
It will be interesting if we are in a sell-mode because we have LOTS to get rid of to open spots for youngsters.