07-07-2014, 01:17 PM #41
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Sickels write up: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/2/20/1318323/2010/2/20/1318323/not-a-rookie-nate-schierholtz
Diamond was the same. BA wrote that "At his best, Diamond has shown fringe-to-average fastball velocity at 86-91 mph, and his overhand arm slot gives him a curveball that has been his best pitch throughout his minor league career."
No one ever had Diamond as a highly touted prospect. BA trade write up suggests that he was going to be given a potential LOOGY role. Sickels even had a prospect of the day write up on him: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/6/26/3117444/prospect-of-the-day-scott-diamond-lhp-minnesota-twins-scouting-report
07-07-2014, 01:30 PM #42
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Jeff S. is a free agent in 15 months and is demanding a $100M deal over 5-6 years. He has a career 3.95 ERA in the NL. He has definitely been good this year, but do you want to hand out that deal? The A's won't and his value for 3 months won't be as high as what they gave up for him (when they try and flip him).
Hammel has a career 4.62 ERA, also having a good year. It just seems to me this is a huge buy high deal.
The only other time I remember the A's doing something like this it was a Matt Holiday rental for Carlos Gonzalez. That turned out very badly for them, this has the chance to as well.
07-07-2014, 01:42 PM #43
I was wrong about Diamond's ranking, confused him with a Texas prospect. Even still, he had more upside than Correia.
I could bring up Brandon Moss, Chris Davis, Jake Arrieta, etc. Guys like this are always around to take a gamble on - the success stories are few and far between, but I'd much rather gamble there then on Correia, Kubel, Bartlett, Pelfrey, etc.
07-08-2014, 10:23 AM #44
Pelfrey was a big time prospect as was Kubel, and Kubel and Barlett had both produced at a fairly high level in the big leagues. Bartlett less recently, but Kubel in 2012 was a guy who put up 30 home runs while playing outfield in Arizona. Pelfrey's money was a poor choice, but taking a flyer on guys like Kubel and Bartlett weren't bad ideas at all, especially with Kubel.
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07-08-2014, 02:18 PM #45
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07-08-2014, 02:59 PM #46
Pelfrey the first go-round was a post-hype guy, but he didn't work out. The oddity was resigning him after they tried that path once. They also acquired a post-hype prospect in their Doumit trade when they got Gilmartin, and he pitched well in AA, but AAA looks a lot like his AAA season of 2013. The Twins have attempted to go after some formerly hyped guys, and they didn't work out. The A's have done it a lot more, so we see their successes much more than their failures. They've converted roughly a dozen players from hitters to pitchers in the last 5-7 years, per Billy Beane, but Sean Doolittle works out, so they're considered geniuses of converting players. Similarly, they take a risk on a ton of post-hype guys, and many of them fail, but we remember the guys who succeed.
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07-08-2014, 04:03 PM #47
I've also fully acknowledged they fail far more often than they succeed - which is why you need to cast your net wide. We haven't done enough of that IMO.
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07-08-2014, 07:16 PM #49