07-09-2014, 08:42 AM #141
I would rather get that out of the way with this year rather than in 2015.
He has the most talent at AAA, bar none and his minor numbers look like a video game (3.06 ERA and 10.4K per 9). He will be 25 in spring training next year.
And, more importantly. I told my friend to draft him and stash him for his fantasy league and I am getting sick of him giving me a hard time about it!
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07-09-2014, 08:54 AM #142
Meyer scuffling a couple weeks set back his time table? Every player scuffles for a few weeks here and there -- heck, we've had a few scufflers on the MLB roster most of the season. That really shouldn't throw off an otherwise healthy, successful, not-young prospect's promotion by 2-3 months or more.
Waiting until September or heaven forbid next March to let Meyer and May face MLB hitters seems like a terrible idea. With no idea of whether they can claim a rotation spot next spring, you will either be forced to re-sign Correia/Pelfrey types, or dramatically increase your risk of a 2012-2013 style rotation disaster. And for what gain? We get to take a closer look at Deduno for the third time, or whatever AAAA starter du jour?
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07-09-2014, 09:02 AM #143
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spycake just saved me a lot of time, by typing up what I'd say.
Get their feet wet this year. Waiting another year? I don't get the process at all here.Lighten up Francis....
07-09-2014, 09:02 AM #144
[QUOTE=spycake;253447]Pino was called up before May got injured, and I'm not really convinced it was just fluke bad timing -- they could have easily worked May into the rotation anytime over the prior month. QUOTE]
Back to my friend (neighbor too) and me telling him to draft Meyer....this Pino thing is the type of thing I have had to hear every time I go outside. Bail me out Twins. Promote the guy.
07-09-2014, 09:14 AM #145
But again, actions on the part of the Twins should mean something. The Twins were quick to appoint May to the Futures Game squad when a spot became available (only a day after the initial rosters were set), and this came on the heels of the 120-pitch Trevor May effort on June 16. Before May sustained the injury, it seems likely that he was going to get the first shot at an open spot on the 25-man roster after the All Star break (presumably Correia). Presumably, his timetable has been set back slightly, but I still gotta think he's going to get a "tryout", either in one of Nolasco's starts or for Correia's, once KC is jettisoned.
07-09-2014, 09:33 AM #146
The Meyer situation is near that level too -- probably the only saving grace is that yes, I want his innings limited a bit this year. But I'd like to see SOME of those innings at the MLB level -- we're beyond the point where age, arbitration, FA, options, or even AAA performance are much of a factor with this guy anymore. (And at least one roster spot should be freely available after Florimon's recent appearance.)
When was the last time a Twins pitcher made his MLB debut in the season-opening starting rotation? Eric Milton? It has been pretty rare. Get their feet wet now so there's a chance they can do it, or at least you can inform your offseason decisions.
07-09-2014, 09:48 AM #147
1) Based on talent, ceiling, age, numbers, he should be up this year and it is nearly impossible to refute that.
2) He is getting his feet wet a year later than he should and when we should be turning the corner, or at least seeing what we have in our top prospects. He could come up in 2015, then go back to work on x and y and you are potentially talking about 2016
3) If Meyer is not up this year or gets 1-2 starts in September, he is a guy that is now in competition for a role in 2015 out of spring training. The Twins, IMO would consider pushing him back to June 2015. It would just be 2 months. Any minor injury, slightly higher BB's, struggling in spring training could be used as an excuse to delay him.
07-09-2014, 10:12 AM #148
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I want Meyer up in September but I'm fine with it being in the bullpen to limit his innings.
07-09-2014, 10:28 AM #149
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The Meyer and may situations are the types of issues I have with the twins promotions. Neither are young and both need to be a part of the next good twins team. Delaying their mlb appearance just delays their whole timetable. Gibson last year is another example. No matter what there is an adjustment period. If you ruin a 25 year old guy by calling him up you have bigger problems. I just hate this approach by the twins. There is no reason to wait this long, especially when you're giving stats top deduno and pino. This is bull****.
07-09-2014, 10:48 AM #150
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I didn't have a problem giving Pino the starts when the call came. May had just pitched that long game and wasn't available, and Meyer wasn't pitching well in AAA. That said, I suspect May is the next guy getting the call for extended action and would be surprised if he's not replacing Pino or Nolaso after the all star break.
I don't expect to see Meyer until September, and in a relief role at that. He's on a strict limit, and I think it's in the Twins best interest to let him do that at the minor league level. He's also not on the 40 man. He will have to be added this offseason, so a September move to give him a month of MLB relief work would be wise.
07-09-2014, 11:27 AM #151
07-09-2014, 11:37 AM #152
Pino pitched on 6/19. May was hurt on 6/21 but it initially seemed minor and a quick bounce-back was expected. Pino was demoted on 6/26 after his second start. May was put on the DL on 6/27. Pino was recalled a few days afterward.
I think that series of events pretty clearly indicates that the Twins were planning on calling up May but his injury got in the way.
07-09-2014, 11:59 AM #153
It certainly is possible that they had May in mind for a promotion sooner, but I don't think that's clear from the above timeline, or from their previous actions (May could have safely been lined up with Deduno as early as late May), or from their 2013 promotion timings.
2 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 2 BB, 1 K, 55 pitches
3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K, 78 pitches
3.2 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 3 K, 73 pitches
Without the pitch count restrictions, he probably logs a not-disastrous 5 inning "Deduno special" in at least 1, if not 2 or perhaps even all 3 of those games. If that's his downside, that's not bad. (Deduno's problem is those games appear to his upside.)
And that so-called "awful" stretch was bookended by 6 IP, 0-1 R, 7-8 K, ~80 pitch games.
07-09-2014, 12:05 PM #154
07-09-2014, 12:06 PM #155
Either way, his early June was enough to give anyone pause, particularly when talking about a guy on an innings limit with shoulder concerns. It would have been foolish to promote him to MLB when the back of your mind is telling you "I hope he's not having shoulder issues again".
With that said and done, I think it's time we see Meyer in Minnesota. Let him stay here after the Futures Game, I say.
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07-09-2014, 12:39 PM #158
It's really unfortunate that May got hurt. I think the Twins are eager to promote one of their better prospects but it's hard to do right now when you know 40 man space is going to open up soon.
07-09-2014, 12:42 PM #159
In 18 starts, Corriea has failed to reach the 5th inning three times and has 8 starts with 4 ER or more.
So Meyer goes 4 or 5 IP in those three "inconsistent" starts without an innings limit and he spread around 7 ER in those 3 starts.
07-09-2014, 12:53 PM #160
I have a feeling we're going to be 2-3 months late on both counts, though -- potentially pushing Meyer's promotion into 2015 and requiring an extra veteran starter to be signed as insurance in the offseason, since we will have no MLB data on Meyer yet (and potentially very little on May).