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    Alex Meyer

    Interesting tweet from LEN3 today:

    The more people I talk to, the more unlikely it is that Meyer will get a look this year. If anyone gets a shot, it will be May.
    Disappointing, but probably not a surprise. The Twins clearly wanted to limit his workload this year to manage innings and with the team falling off probably don't see the need to push it. I wonder if he is starting to get a little gassed as well.

    I thought he would be an ideal guy to call up and get some work as a reliever in August/September, get his feet that way, but it would also open the 40 man issue going into the offseason (i.e. if he gets hurt they would have to pay him all year and lose a year of service time).

    Realistically, this probably takes him out of the running for a rotation job breaking camp next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
    Interesting tweet from LEN3 today:



    Disappointing, but probably not a surprise. The Twins clearly wanted to limit his workload this year to manage innings and with the team falling off probably don't see the need to push it. I wonder if he is starting to get a little gassed as well.

    I thought he would be an ideal guy to call up and get some work as a reliever in August/September, get his feet that way, but it would also open the 40 man issue going into the offseason (i.e. if he gets hurt they would have to pay him all year and lose a year of service time).

    Realistically, this probably takes him out of the running for a rotation job breaking camp next year.
    I don't know that the bolded part is true, but I agree with the rest of your take. I think the Twins believe they have a future top of the rotation guy here, and are taking steps to help get him to that place. Since his shoulder issues from last year, they have moved very carefully with him, to protect his arm but also to further his development. Whether or not you believe this year is a lost cause, trying to protect and develop a future ace is probably more important than getting his feet wet at the major league level, this year.

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    Also they are going to have lots of 40 man roster decisions to make this offseason. Why add one more spot taken to the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim H View Post
    I don't know that the bolded part is true, but I agree with the rest of your take. I think the Twins believe they have a future top of the rotation guy here, and are taking steps to help get him to that place. Since his shoulder issues from last year, they have moved very carefully with him, to protect his arm but also to further his development. Whether or not you believe this year is a lost cause, trying to protect and develop a future ace is probably more important than getting his feet wet at the major league level, this year.
    I wouldn't say never, but it is rare for a starter to make his debut breaking camp in the rotation, generally more of a breaking in process. This will be doubly so for Meyer next year who will still be operating on innings limitations. Makes sense to start him slow and work his way to full tilt.

    That is why I thought it might make sense to call him up as a reliever, but I certainly agree with you that protecting and developing him are the top priorities.
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    He had a nice outing tonight though. He even threw 99 pitches. I think that's the first time he went over 90 this year.

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    Probably be ready for the majors when hes 26 or so. Big and lanky so its hard to find that release point.

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    I'd like to see at least two or three five inning starts at the big league level this year. I think it helped Gibson and could help Meyer going into next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEN3
    The more people I talk to, the more unlikely it is that Meyer will get a look this year. If anyone gets a shot, it will be May.
    Agreed it's not surprising -- this has been my suspicion all along. Which is a shame, because they have to add him to the 40-man this winter anyway. Adding him now/soon and keeping him up until Sep. 1st would mean they don't use an option on him this year and will position him better to contribute at the start or early next season. It would give him an extra couple months service time, but that really shouldn't matter -- we already control him until age 31 (through the 2020 season) regardless.

    The more troubling aspect of LEN3's tweet is the "if anyone" phrase -- if neither Meyer nor May gets a look this season, that will be very disappointing. Neither is young and both have done well in AAA. I think it is vital to know more about them, and see how they initially adapt to MLB, before the upcoming offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    Agreed it's not surprising -- this has been my suspicion all along. Which is a shame, because they have to add him to the 40-man this winter anyway. Adding him now/soon and keeping him up until Sep. 1st would mean they don't use an option on him this year and will position him better to contribute at the start or early next season. It would give him an extra couple months service time, but that really shouldn't matter -- we already control him until age 31 (through the 2020 season) regardless.

    The more troubling aspect of LEN3's tweet is the "if anyone" phrase -- if neither Meyer nor May gets a look this season, that will be very disappointing. Neither is young and both have done well in AAA. I think it is vital to know more about them, and see how they initially adapt to MLB, before the upcoming offseason.
    I'm leery of parsing tweets too closely. The mention of May here actually makes me think it is very much in the plans. Assuming he's healthy, May will get a shot and the injury now might be beneficial for him to start through September (innings limit reasons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    Also they are going to have lots of 40 man roster decisions to make this offseason. Why add one more spot taken to the mix.
    I'm not 100% on all the 40-man rules, but doesn't Meyer need to be added to the 40 this offseason to protect him from Rule 5 anyway? I don't see the harm in adding him in September and letting him get a few starts or at least relief appearances. Would hardly count for any service time (he's too old to worry about service time too much anyway), and you could keep him active so as to not use an option even if you shut him down late in the month.
    Or are there other considerations I don't understand, aside from innings limits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
    I'm leery of parsing tweets too closely. The mention of May here actually makes me think it is very much in the plans. Assuming he's healthy, May will get a shot and the injury now might be beneficial for him to start through September (innings limit reasons).
    I'm especially leery of parsing LEN3's tweets. He's not bad or false in his reports, it's just that he speculates quite a bit (I admit, all reporters do)...and then I start speculating on his speculation...and then it's easy to get abstracted from the reality of what's going on.
    That being said, I'll gladly and shamelessly partake in the speculation.

    As a fan, I'm hoping for both Meyer and May by season's end. By deadline, there could be three spots open in the rotation Correia (traded), Pino (replaceable), Nolasco (indefinitely DL'd? - this one might be a stretch). I see no reason not to give both a shot with those voids opened up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
    I'm leery of parsing tweets too closely. The mention of May here actually makes me think it is very much in the plans. Assuming he's healthy, May will get a shot and the injury now might be beneficial for him to start through September (innings limit reasons).
    Yeah, my first though here was, "Oh, LEN3 said this? Hmmm..."

    But, I don't think May is or should be on any innings limit. He's been one of the most proficient and durable minor league arms in all of baseball for the last ~4 years. He wasn't going to pitch more than 180 total innings this year anyway, which is perfectly reasonable for a guy who had pitched ~150 healthy minor league innings each of the past 4 years (which is about the max you can have in the shorter minor league seasons).

    Pre-injury, they already passed May up for open MLB rotation spots for the months of May, June, and at least half of July by originally ticketing him for the Futures Game. And that wasn't to limit his innings, that was to keep him in AAA.

    I'd like to see him and Meyer up before September -- I just don't put a lot of stock into September-only stats, at least not when formulating the next season's rotation/roster. In Meyer's case, even the month of August and a Sept. 1st shutdown would probably be more informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spycake View Post
    Yeah, my first though here was, "Oh, LEN3 said this? Hmmm..."

    But, I don't think May is or should be on any innings limit. He's been one of the most proficient and durable minor league arms in all of baseball for the last ~4 years. He wasn't going to pitch more than 180 total innings this year anyway, which is perfectly reasonable for a guy who had pitched ~150 healthy minor league innings each of the past 4 years (which is about the max you can have in the shorter minor league seasons).

    Pre-injury, they already passed May up for open MLB rotation spots for the months of May, June, and at least half of July by originally ticketing him for the Futures Game. And that wasn't to limit his innings, that was to keep him in AAA.

    I'd like to see him and Meyer up before September -- I just don't put a lot of stock into September-only stats, at least not when formulating the next season's rotation/roster. In Meyer's case, even the month of August and a Sept. 1st shutdown would probably be more informative.
    I certainly agree with you that I would like to see both up. I think breaking them into the bigs for a month or two is a great way to get them ready for next year. I'm pretty confident that May will be up, and as I said earlier in this thread that Meyer not coming up is disappointing, but not necessarily surprising.

    Good point on the innings, I didn't realize he was only at 80 right now. Even if he pitches through the end of September no chance he blows much past 160-170.
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    Although not specific to this thread what is the status of both Meyer and May in regards to pitch count - both in specific games and for an entire season? And is it important to their future progress? For sure Bert and Kaat do not think so, rightfully so or not?

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    Bummer. I hadn't realized that Meyer wasn't on the 40 man roster. I guess it doesn't make sense to burn an option year if he's on an innings limit but I'd also like to see him in the majors ASAP. I agree that if he isn't getting a cup of coffee this year he probably starts next year in AAA until the super 2 deadline.

    I guess if I was in charge, he'd come up this year (along with May) but it's probably a good thing I'm not in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnarthor View Post
    Bummer. I hadn't realized that Meyer wasn't on the 40 man roster. I guess it doesn't make sense to burn an option year if he's on an innings limit but I'd also like to see him in the majors ASAP. I agree that if he isn't getting a cup of coffee this year he probably starts next year in AAA until the super 2 deadline.

    I guess if I was in charge, he'd come up this year (along with May) but it's probably a good thing I'm not in charge.
    Meyer wouldn't burn an option year unless he was added to the 40-man/25-man and then sent back down to AAA before season's end. And actually, he would have to spend more than 20 days in AAA while on the 40-man roster to use an option year, so in theory they could even send him down August 15 without using an option if they wanted (assuming minor league season ended Sep. 1 or whatever). That would pause his service time clock during his shutdown, and allow them to use the minor league DL if he were to get injured -- that's basically what exactly what they did with Gibson last August, although his option year was already used up anyway.

    With Meyer's innings limit suggesting a Sep. 1st shutdown (which is fair, in my opinion), now is the perfect time to call him up. There is no real difference anymore in service time or options between calling him up now and him making the team out of spring training next year. So we might as well get some early MLB indicators on him, going into the offseason.

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    Disappointing, I wanted them to get their taste ala Gibson last year. It's hard not to see this news as likely setting the Twins' window back another year at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Disappointing, I wanted them to get their taste ala Gibson last year. It's hard not to see this news as likely setting the Twins' window back another year at least.
    That ship probably sailed when Buxton and Sano both went down.
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    I bet Jose Fernandez thanks forces daily that he was never in the Twins' system. You never know if they are ready unless you bring them up and give them starts. May and Meyer are no longer young. This is prime time for them now. Bring them up for a few starts each at least, and soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    Although not specific to this thread what is the status of both Meyer and May in regards to pitch count - both in specific games and for an entire season?
    baseball-reference.com has gamelogs for minor leaguers. Here are the links for these two players:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...=pgl&year=2014
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...=pgl&year=2014

    You'll see that Trevor was routinely being allowed to throw 90-100 pitches, until his last game which was in the 80s and he was shut down, while Alex has been kept to mostly the 70s until his most recent two starts where he got into the 80s and then the 90s. Read into that what you will.

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