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    Trade opportunities -players dropping like flies

    While I never want to see any player get hurt, the Twins could be beneficiaries as far as trades go. With Molina out for 2 months, the Cards will need a catcher. Suzuki's contract is perfect for the Cards. I don't see the Cards biting on Pierzynski, but maybe the Orioles will with Wieters out.

    Also starters are going on the DL. Tanaka, CJ Wilson, Michael Wacha and Jaime Garcia and Josh Beckett are out. Ignoring Correia's first month, he has been decent and could be a cheap fix for someone.

    With Jay Bruce moving to first, the Reds need an OF bat, the same with the Yankees with Beltran out, Jays with Bautista having to play first just to name a few. We all know watching the Twins hold the M's to three runs in three games that the M's could use Willingham or perhaps Morales to DH for Corey Hart.

    Finally, besides Perk, we should dangle all of our relievers out there because we have lots in AAA, such as Achter, Tonkin, etc to replace them
    Be aggressive, if we can get a contributor for the next year or two, don't be afraid to pull the trigger.

    Win the game tonight and put some desperation in the M's.

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    I missed the appendectomy for Jason Vargas, so there's another suitor

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    I'd hate to see Suzuki go, but I think St. Louis would be a great fit. I cannot envision the Cards using Tony Cruz as 2 month stop gap.

    Not sure what the Twins could get in return, but you would think there should be some serious interest from our brothers down the great river.

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    I think Correia would have to be a end of July deal. I think teams would pursue a better solution and settle for Correia at the end. I hope I am wrong and he is dealt early.

    They need to be ready to move Suzuki at the first good deal.

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    With high profile catchers dropping like flies, it'll be hard to resist not putting Suzuki on the block in late July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    With high profile catchers dropping like flies, it'll be hard to resist not putting Suzuki on the block in late July.
    Put him up now, just make sure to wait until the iron is hot.

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    Don't trade a 300 hitting catcher when you have next to nothing else at the position. No way this happens. Suzuki should be given an extension, not firesaled for some maybe prospects
    Last edited by ashburyjohn; 07-11-2014 at 11:02 AM. Reason: removed overly combative wording to start

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    Suzuki doesn't profile as that good a hitter. His value is at an all-time high.
    Last edited by stringer bell; 07-10-2014 at 11:41 PM.

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    Suzuki, Perkins and Dozier, along with Willingham, Morales, Correria, and most of the rest of the relievers should all be on the block. Let's make a deal. TR's strength is identifying class A ballplayers that have a future, put it to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckmt View Post
    Suzuki, Perkins and Dozier, along with Willingham, Morales, Correria, and most of the rest of the relievers should all be on the block. Let's make a deal. TR's strength is identifying class A ballplayers that have a future, put it to use.
    Why does Dozier keep coming up in these discussions? 27 year old All-Star at a very shallow position still under team control. These are the type of players you build around, not trade away.

    Susuki on the other hand...31 year old on a 1 year deal who is performing over his all time highs. These are the type of players you trade.

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    The GM of a winning team generally has a decent talent evaluator or two. Any expiring contract player on the Twins right now would likely only bring back a low level prospect. Closer to career average production from Morales might bring a better prospect. Those that think Suzuki will bring back a good prospect need to look and see that he was traded twice for middling prospects. The relievers are all better than a lot of what are in other bullpens. Still, the supply of 7th inning and mop up relievers is large, hence the cost would be low None of the Twins in the last year of a contract say 8th inning reliever in a pennant chase

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    To those who keep pointing to trading Dozier - yes he's playing outstanding defense and hitting for power, but most GM's will point to his .234 average and team-leading 78 strikeouts to try to downplay his value and give less in return.

    I know many of us would like to see Rosario up, but he's only batting .238 avg/.284 OPB/.349 SLG. Let's put that into perspective - Hicks' slash line since being sent back to NB is .284/.410/.403 and most of us feel he's not ready. Rosario is not ready to take over for Dozier. Escobar is in a slump at SS and if Santana goes back to CF, what's our middle infield going forward. For those who say Dozier's at his peak, I disagree. When he learns to use the whole field as a batter, and he will in the next couple of years, that's when he'll be at his peak and maybe by then Rosario will be ready to take over (or Polanco or one of our other MI'ers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    Suzuki doesn't profile as that good a hitter. His value is at an all-time high.
    But....maybe these 3 months are more predictive than the rest of his track record!

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    I wouldn't deal Dozier unless we were absolutely blown away. I think we can resign Suzuki if we wanted to in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Vance View Post
    What is wrong with you people? You don't trade a 300 hitting catcher when you have next to nothing else at the position. No way this happens. Suzuki should be given an extension, not firesaled for some maybe prospects
    Sign him in the offseason. Right now, his value is through the roof.

    I understand why the Twins might be reluctant to move him but man, teams are going to seriously overpay for a 112 OPS+ catcher right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
    To those who keep pointing to trading Dozier - yes he's playing outstanding defense and hitting for power, but most GM's will point to his .234 average and team-leading 78 strikeouts to try to downplay his value and give less in return.
    No GM with a brain would underbid for Dozier because of those stats. Would they hem and haw over those stats to reduce their perceived interest? Certainly, that's good bargaining.

    But at the end of the day, Dozier will command a top 25 prospect and they all know it.

    Again, not advocating that the Twins trade Dozier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AM. View Post
    But....maybe these 3 months are more predictive than the rest of his track record!
    I think that gets you in trouble....rarely do 31 year old catcher suddenly become much better hitters than they have in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Sign him in the offseason. Right now, his value is through the roof.

    I understand why the Twins might be reluctant to move him but man, teams are going to seriously overpay for a 112 OPS+ catcher right now.
    Yes, if Suzuki likes it here he'll listen to the Twins offseason offer. If he doesn't like it here, he's not going to bite on a midseason extension anyway. I like Suzuki and would take him back next year, but considering he's having his best season at 31, the odds are that whoever does get him next year will be in for a pretty big let down. There's a reason he was a platoon player the last couple years.

    Also, if it happened to be the Cardinals who came after him, no one has to worry about him falling in love with St. Louis, they'll have no interest in a contract with him in 2015. Unless Yadier Molina gets hit by a bus in the offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    No GM with a brain would underbid for Dozier because of those stats. Would they hem and haw over those stats to reduce their perceived interest? Certainly, that's good bargaining.

    But at the end of the day, Dozier will command a top 25 prospect and they all know it.

    Again, not advocating that the Twins trade Dozier.
    Maybe it is just me, but it would take more than just one prospect rated 25th. That is in the Berrios/Stewart range. With Dozier, I think we are starting to know what we can expect. Very good defense, 20-20+ potential, a guy that gets on base, etc that plays a scarce position. Many prospects in that range may simply "project" as having a simlar trajectory as Dozier and frankly, a good chunk of them won't hit that projection. Some may never stick in the big leagues and some may end up being bench players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Sign him in the offseason. Right now, his value is through the roof.

    I understand why the Twins might be reluctant to move him but man, teams are going to seriously overpay for a 112 OPS+ catcher right now.
    Agreed. I was very much on the re-sign Suzuki bandwagon. But Terry has been very savvy in the last few years. The timing and return on the Span and Revere trades come to mind. I think the catcher injuries and lack of depth among playoff teams may yeild a Suzuki trade that we may be happy with.

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