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    Question Jeter NOT the Best All-Time Shortstop

    It's been a great run for Derek Jeter but he is not the greatest shortstop of all time. That one goes to Honus Wagner, stats longevity and fielding (and someone from the dead ball era has to be listed as the best at one position - Wagner seems most deserving to me). I put Jeter ahead of Cal Jr. and Ozzie Smith in the post-TV era. Joe Cronin is in there from pre-TV Others like Robin Yount played too many years at other positions.
    1. Honus Wagner
    2. Joe Cronin
    3. Derek Jeter
    4. Ozzie Smith
    5. Cal Ripken Jr.

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    I'm not a huge Jeter fan but I've never heard of those two first players on that list and the rest are great players.

    Besides its not like the talent pool was that deep during the early 1900's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drock2190 View Post
    I'm not a huge Jeter fan but I've never heard of those two first players on that list and the rest are great players.

    Besides its not like the talent pool was that deep during the early 1900's.
    You should have heard of Honus Wagner if only for one of the most famous baseball cards of all time.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/91...m-auction-mark

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    And Joe Cronin was president of the American League for a number of years.

    I rather like Ernie Banks as my shortstop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    And Joe Cronin was president of the American League for a number of years.

    I rather like Ernie Banks as my shortstop.
    Banks played more games at 1B than at SS in his career.

    For my money (which is not much), I'd take Jeter as the top SS of all-time...

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    For the sake of baseball history, legend, and folklore - Wagner has my overwhelming vote as the best SS in MLB history. Jeter is up there at the top along with Cal Jr.

    In my opinion Jeter has been the face of MLB for the last 15 years. That really does mean a lot.

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    Yeah, Wagner #1 but Jeter or Ripken #2. I'd probably put Jeter ahead of Ripken.

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    I can't take Honus Wagner all that seriously, way too long ago, such a different game.

    I'll take Jeter.
    Papers...business papers.

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    I'll take Ripkin over Jeter - Jeter played in the juiced era (not saying he did, just inflated offense everywhere) and was not the defender other top contenders were.

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    Honus Wagner and it's not even close.

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    We're missing somebody important but for the life of me I cannot think of who it could be, some old-timers help me out please.

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    Jeter isn't even the best SS of the past 30 years. Ripken is so much better defensively.

    The Hall of Merit ranked SS and it was Wagner, John Henry Lloyd and Cal Ripken as the top 3.

    http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...yount_get_at_l

    Jeter makes the top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I'll take Ripkin over Jeter - Jeter played in the juiced era (not saying he did, just inflated offense everywhere) and was not the defender other top contenders were.
    Jeter literally could fit in his rookie uniform, pretty sure he didnt juice. And if he put up good numbers during the era while pitchers were juicing as well, that makes his numbers stand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy10 View Post
    We're missing somebody important but for the life of me I cannot think of who it could be, some old-timers help me out please.
    A-Rod?

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    Ripken set a pretty high bar for anyone in the past few decades, and he's going to be very tough to beat for awhile. A-Rod should have, but he moved to third and well everything afterwards took him out of that discussion. Also thought Nomar was better than Jeter too, but obviously injuries left him completely forgotten and he wasn't on the Red Sox WS teams. Honus Wagner was pretty dominant though so he and Cal are too tough to call for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJL44 View Post
    A-Rod?
    Freddie Patek. He was overlooked by many.
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    Honus Wagner has to have the top spot. Despite all his faults, I would take Alex Rodriguez over Jeter. Troy Tulowitzki in my opinion is the better shortstop but he might not match Jeter in longevity.

    For what it's worth, Jeter is 10th in all time WAR for SS's on BRef though the list includes some players who moved off short at some point in their careers. Interestingly, the Wizard topped him so defense does matter (Jeter -10 DWAR for career), and I'd probably take him over Jeter as well.
    Last edited by HansGruber; 07-15-2014 at 09:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crarko View Post
    Freddie Patek. He was overlooked by many.
    Easy to be overlooked when you're 5'5".

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    Quote Originally Posted by drock2190 View Post
    Jeter literally could fit in his rookie uniform, pretty sure he didnt juice. And if he put up good numbers during the era while pitchers were juicing as well, that makes his numbers stand out.
    The point was that Jeter's offense has to be seen in light of the era he played in - which had record offensive numbers. His OPS+ is roughly the same as Ripken's and defensively it's no contest IMO.

    Larkin should also at least be in the conversation.

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    (sigh) I thought I might make it through a season without hearing or reading the words "Alex Rodriguez".

    It's gonna be a few years before this opportunity arises again.

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