08-11-2012, 05:23 AM #41
Great work as always Parker. Let's just all hope he can be consistent and keep this going for years to come.
08-11-2012, 08:16 AM #42
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For you, not the "friend" you are defending, I will be happy to take the time to research, track down and get back to you with the specific quotes. Speaking of the use of accusatorial misquoting, if you aspire to professional writing, you need to discern the difference and context between "ignorance" and "ignorant". The word I used was ignorance and the use of "ignorance" on my part was in reference to the other poster's unawareness of a subject matter, not "ignorant" as a perjorative. Big difference.
I know a lot of times guys in your position (I'm not saying you have done it) like to be in print holding different positions on the same subject- with the ability to then link back to when what they wrote then shows how smart they are. Because you're better than that, that's why I'm surprised that you backed off from the correct position in this round. As stated, I didn't expect you to "know" that Diamond should have been in the rotation from the start, in that vein, I'm saying let's find out more about what we don't know, continuing what the Twins were already doing. Just sayin'.
Meanwhile, nothing has changed regarding the Dunce from what you wrote previously in 2011. He's demonstrated further in 2012 that he is perfect in a role as a lefty reliever. This is a lost season. It has to be a lost season when the Twins were forced to trot out Diamond, Walters, DeVries and Deduno. Were any one of these "top flight prospects that you simply throw into an MLB rotation"? Of course not. Nothing was lost by trotting these guys out and it's likely nothing will be lost by trotting out others (Hendriks is working on certain issues and his emotional fragility may or may not be a special case). There was no argument I proposed that they are "better" on a game-by-game basis, just that it generally makes perfect sense to start a guy for spot duty like Duensing- if you're in the playoff hunt or early in the season when things are unsettled- his move out of the bullpen was a "pick your poison" move as it was disruptive to a Twins area of some success- and did little-to-nothing at bolstering the SP situation- all the while wrecking what was a really nice season that Duensing was putting together. Here are his stats before beginning his SP duties in late June: 34.2 IP/WHIP 1.03/ERA 2.33/K-BB 22-8.
His total numbers since the change: 38 IP/WHIP 1.69/ERA 7.11/K-BB 17-8. I think it's entirely fair to say anyone on my list had a shot at matching or besting these numbers, with further experience and knowledge of personnel added to the equation.
Here are the entire season totals for the Twins RP staff cumulatively: OBA .246/WHIP 1.28/ERA 3.79/K-BB% 16.8. And here is the July stat set for the RPs: OBA .282/WHIP 1.54/ERA 4.75/K-BB% 15.5
Of course, the bullpen fall-down isn't entirely related to Duensing's absence, but the numbers tell a good part of the story.
To reiterate, the Twins outcome for this season has been settled for quite some time, the biggest accomplishment left for the Twins to achieve during the remainder of the year and going into the off-season, is finding and identifying guys in positions of need- a key component is starting next year's SP "cattle call" ASAP.
The 40-man roster argument holds little water, as well. By my count, the Twins have moved NINE guys onto the 40-man during the season. This includes 5 pitchers, including 3 of 4 mentioned above. They too, were all "readily available" as the Twins demonstrated, as are the guys I proposed. There is plenty of detritus that the Twins can Waive and/or DFA, without consequence, as demonstrated with every previous cut this year, they likely won't get claimed- or won't be missed- or won't be here next year anyway. (Tosoni, Gray, "seriously"?)
Last edited by jokin; 08-11-2012 at 08:18 AM.
08-11-2012, 04:52 PM #43
Holy crap, talk about a thread getting hijacked from the "I'm smarter than you are" crowd. The original analysis on Diamond was excellent, he has great deception and as long as he stays healthy there isn't much to indicate he won't continue to be successful.