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    Mastrionni 2B trial?

    Mastrionni has performed when he gets the rare start.

    So I'd like to see Gardy give Mastrionni a start at 2B. What the Hay.

    After Nishi can we seriously be concerned about defense anymore. Worth a shot.

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    well... they might need another OF next season. Unfortunately the interim GM missed the chance to trade Span before he was hurt again. Hopefully he will be gone this off-season. The manager of the Millennium on the radio has talked about Parmelee being his RF next season. That scares me (but he has started Doumit at LF as well so...). They will need another OF and not sure if Hicks and Arcia will be ready yet.
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    Mastro can still be that OF. A little position flex can help him and the squad. He's playing well... I'd like to see him get some more playing time. Some innings at 2B might be worth a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    well... they might need another OF next season. Unfortunately the interim GM missed the chance to trade Span before he was hurt again. Hopefully he will be gone this off-season. The manager of the Millennium on the radio has talked about Parmelee being his RF next season. That scares me (but he has started Doumit at LF as well so...). They will need another OF and not sure if Hicks and Arcia will be ready yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Mastrionni has performed when he gets the rare start.

    So I'd like to see Gardy give Mastrionni a start at 2B. What the Hay.

    After Nishi can we seriously be concerned about defense anymore. Worth a shot.
    Absolutely. Take a chance and see if it pays off.

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    He hasn't really played second base in 5 years. He's got a very mixed minor league record as is. Why not take another 6 weeks to let him show if he can be a decent MLB 4th outfielder? If he can do that, then you've got some idea if he can play a role next year. Why set him up for failure? Put him in a position to actually succeed. Nishioka's failure doesn't mean you start throwing guys in spots they aren't suited for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig in MN View Post
    He hasn't really played second base in 5 years. He's got a very mixed minor league record as is. Why not take another 6 weeks to let him show if he can be a decent MLB 4th outfielder? If he can do that, then you've got some idea if he can play a role next year. Why set him up for failure? Put him in a position to actually succeed. Nishioka's failure doesn't mean you start throwing guys in spots they aren't suited for.
    I guess our working assumption is that he's already shown he can be a decent MLB 4th outfielder. There may wind up being a few of those with this team, though.

    What we're really asking for is a way to get him more plate appearances and see how that goes, and playing second is a way to do that. And it's a position that has been identified as upgradeable. Much like the Plouffe at third experiment. And Mastroianni has certainly displayed the speed and range that might make him pretty good at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig in MN View Post
    He hasn't really played second base in 5 years. He's got a very mixed minor league record as is. Why not take another 6 weeks to let him show if he can be a decent MLB 4th outfielder? If he can do that, then you've got some idea if he can play a role next year. Why set him up for failure? Put him in a position to actually succeed. Nishioka's failure doesn't mean you start throwing guys in spots they aren't suited for.
    I do agree with you. I'm normally too picky about defense to really be serious about something like this.

    However, he's taking grounders daily for a reason. I thnk it's worth a look see. If he handles 2B a little. He can do a little work over the winter and into spring and you have a 4th OF'er with 2B ability. If he shows he can't handle it. He can stop wasting his time taking grounders daily.

    Far fetched idea... I get that... But... I'm thinking his production at the plate and on the base paths might be more than what we are currently getting at 2B.

    Skip Schumacher pulled it off. The Cardinals don't seem to be so positionally rigid as other teams are. Things seem to work for them.

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    I have trouble believing that Mastroianni is ever going to hit enough to be a decent corner outfielder, but he could hit well enough to be a decent second baseman, especially in this organization. Why not try him at 2B? Who is to say why he was moved in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    Why not try him at 2B? Who is to say why he was moved in the first place?
    I'm guessing the Blue Jays could say why he was moved in the first place, seeing how he hasn't played 10 games at 2B since low A ball 5 yars ago.

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    As usual, it seems to me that Brian's idea is an excellent one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    I have trouble believing that Mastroianni is ever going to hit enough to be a decent corner outfielder, but he could hit well enough to be a decent second baseman, especially in this organization. Why not try him at 2B? Who is to say why he was moved in the first place?
    At this point, I don't see why they shouldn't give him a shot at second. If he fails, so be it. If he succeeds, he's the new Denny Hocking. While we loved to lambast Hocking back in the day, that type of player has a lot of value to a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    Why not try him at 2B? Who is to say why he was moved in the first place?
    I'm guessing the Blue Jays could say why he was moved in the first place, seeing how he hasn't played 10 games at 2B since low A ball 5 yars ago.
    There are a couple of things that give me pause. Why did the Jays move him? That's one. The other is Why hasn't Gardy tried him at 2B yet?

    On the other side of that... Why did the Jays let him go? He can clearly play this game. The Jays may have missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post

    On the other side of that... Why did the Jays let him go? He can clearly play this game. The Jays may have missed.
    Boston was probably saying the same thing in the 2003 season after we released Ortiz so we could pick up Jose Morban in the rule 5 draft.

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    Perhaps the Jays moved him because his speed was such an asset in the OF, something that the Twins currently have plenty of throughout their system, and something the Jays were lacking, considering that Adam Lind was manning a corner spot at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    I have trouble believing that Mastroianni is ever going to hit enough to be a decent corner outfielder, but he could hit well enough to be a decent second baseman, especially in this organization. Why not try him at 2B? Who is to say why he was moved in the first place?
    At this point, I don't see why they shouldn't give him a shot at second. If he fails, so be it. If he succeeds, he's the new Denny Hocking. While we loved to lambast Hocking back in the day, that type of player has a lot of value to a team.
    Denny Hocking was terrible defensively and has the 2nd lowest WAR in the history of the franchise.

    I was a fan of the Hock, but he isn't someone we should try to replicate moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Perhaps the Jays moved him because his speed was such an asset in the OF, something that the Twins currently have plenty of throughout their system, and something the Jays were lacking, considering that Adam Lind was manning a corner spot at the time.
    That is a huge stretch, he was moved to OF full time 5 years ago when he was still in A ball. If a guy can legitimately play the MI teams won't move them to the OF.

    I'd like nothing more then for him to be a legit option at 2B, but the fact that they moved him from the position in low A ball tells me all I need to know.

    Do I think he can fill in at 2B from time to time or if there is a PH situation? Sure, but he isn't an everyday, or even close to everyday option IMO.

    Also apparently he has played 1 inning at 2B this season for the Twins, anyone remember when that was?
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    DickBert were talking about him during the game last night (for decent enough reasons). They mentioned that he takes infield practice at 2B during batting practice. So, it sounds like he's making sure that the team knows he can play there. How well he plays there, I don't know.

    I'm guessing that Toronto probably moved him because of his speed, they thought he would be valuable in the outfield. I think he is valuable there, but I would also like to see him try out 2B a little to see if he can handle it in a game situation. If for nothing else but to see if you can play him in some sort of super utility role. If he can get to that point, great. If he can't play 2B, then you still have a 4th OF/bench guy. There's not a ton of risk in trying it out.
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    As long as we have Span in the organization, there's really no reason for Mastroianni to be in the outfield...and lo and behold, he hasn't been. Our options at 2B are Casilla and Carroll. I like Casilla defensively, but he just can't hit, and Carroll is such a middle of the road type player both offensively and defensively that he wouldn't be missed from the lineup. Just as there's no reason to put Maestro in the outfield when Willingham and Span aren't DHing/injured, there's no reason we shouldn't at least give him a series at 2B and see what he can do. The worst thing that happens is that he stinks, but at least we would know for sure and could have his bat and speed in the lineup every day if it did pan out.

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    Yea it is worth a shot after Span comes back and certainly after Rochester is done when I would think that Parmelee would be recalled. Moving Mastroanni would allow him to both get AB and see if he can play second base, as well as free up space in RF for Parmelee to get some more at bats.

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