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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Crikket View Post
    So yes, the Twins do need to at least consider the effect of late season player moves on their affiliates that are contending for playoff spots. It's not the prevailing factor, but it's a factor. I don't think that's unreasonable when you're talking about a difference of a few days' time one place or another. Then again, I'm a minor league fan.
    Agreed, with one exception:

    When the MLB team is contending, it should have the best talent up there to help them win. Putting MiLB affiliates feeling over winning at the MLB-level is nutty IMHO. Other than that, Hicks and Arcia and Parmelee can wait a week or 2 more in a non-contending season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    Agreed, with one exception:

    When the MLB team is contending, it should have the best talent up there to help them win. Putting MiLB affiliates feeling over winning at the MLB-level is nutty IMHO. Other than that, Hicks and Arcia and Parmelee can wait a week or 2 more in a non-contending season.
    Obviously, yes.

    We can only hope that becomes the primary consideration again one of these years.
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    Here is the official press coverage at the Red Wings' minor league site.

    Ryan is such a politician. Here is part of what he said to the public:

    "The Red Wings organization and the City of Rochester have been very good to us and this is the place we want to be," said Twins General Manager Terry Ryan. "Ownership, the front-office staff, and, of course, the fans have always made us feel very special and welcome in Rochester."
    that's right...

    Here is some insight about how the fans of Rochester really feel and about how welcome the Twins really are
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    You can't really put a lot of credence in to what a few blowhard fans in Rochester say. Of course they don't want the Twins after the past couple of seasons' lousy teams. But then you ask who they DO want and the same idiots would have no clue what the choices were. Every AAA fanbase wants the Yankees or Red Sox but they can't have 10 AAA affiliates each. If you sat one of these idiots down and made them see what the Rochester choices effective are... Mets (maybe) or Twins... and showed them what the various Mets AAA locations had experienced over the past 10 years... they'd know they had to re-up with the Twins. Mandelaro, once he looked at the same information, came to that exact conclusion. He's right though, if the Twins had continued down the path they were going a month or two ago and had ended up with a third straight 90-loss season, the preferred choice probably would have been to take their chances with the Mets... and I wouldn't have argued that they made the wrong choice.

    A certain vocal segment of any team's fanbase is always going to loudly proclaim that the people running the team always make the wrong decision... as we well know in Twinsville.
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    I couldn't care less about Rochester or its AAA team. So long as the Twins' AAA affiliate isn't an extreme run environment like Las Vegas, then I don't see what difference it makes to Twins fans. I grew up in a AAA town, it's fun to go watch a game, but the standings at the end of the year just don't matter. Anyone pretending otherwise is just embarrassing himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    I couldn't care less about Rochester or its AAA team. So long as the Twins' AAA affiliate isn't an extreme run environment like Las Vegas, then I don't see what difference it makes to Twins fans. I grew up in a AAA town, it's fun to go watch a game, but the standings at the end of the year just don't matter. Anyone pretending otherwise is just embarrassing himself.
    Because those standings didn't matter to YOU, they also don't matter to anyone else? Thanks... now we know that the rest of us can just not bother forming an opinion.

    I happen to know plenty of fans of minor league teams that DO feel their local team's record and place in the standings matters to them and I think it's pretty arrogant to say those people are embarrassing themselves for feeling that way.
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    So can we call up Hendriks, Parmelee and Vasquez now? Please?
    No. The Red Wings are trying to get to the playoffs. Same reason we can't call up Arcia or Hicks now either.
    This is the reason but its maddening that the Twins are basing THEIR roster off of what is best for ROC/New Brit/
    Prob means another yr in AA for Hicks/Arcia....ala Benson/Parm as we will need to sign more Carson/Matt Tolbert types to make Roc happy
    Seriously?

    This Twins team is going NOWHERE. Gutting an affiliate that's in a playoff race? Might as well tell them you don't give a darn about their organization, fans, etc. It doesn't work that way.

    I'd rather our guys play in a pennant race - even if it's a minor league pennant race - than come up to play out the string here. Don't want to start the clock running on anyone unnecessarily, would rather have a Chris Parmalee get a chance to carry a team into the playoffs.

    Success breeds success at the next level. We could use some of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    Mandelaro has been twitting about "how angry" the natives are because they extended the PDC. Some of us Twins' fans are pretty upset too, because they (including the press and Mandelaro) never embraced the Twins as a franchise, and I don't think they deserve the Twins. Every other town that the Twins have affiliations with (including New Britain which is deep in Red Sox, Yankee, Met territory) is positively thinking of the Twins and their local papers even have Minnesota Twins coverage. Not Rochester. I think that the Twins made a mistake here. Maybe more agreements would be expiring in 2 years so the field would be better. Could be a tactical move because of this.
    I hear what you're saying. When I was perusing the Red Wings souvenir program, I was struck by how much was devoted to their link with the Yankees this season and celebrating their ties to the Yankees in the past. I had to double check the front of the program to make sure this was actually a Twins affiliate.

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    I get the feeling that the Rochester organization was really surprised by how few people showed up for S/W-B Yankees "home" games in Frontier Field. I think they drew about half of what they saw for Red Wings games. I'm actually kind of glad it went that way. It says the local fan base is more committed to the Red Wings as "their" team, regardless of affiliation. I also wonder if that didn't send a message to the Rochester decision-makers that a more local affiliation isn't as important as some of them thought it might be. Thus just one more reason not to take a risk on the Mets next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drivlikejehu View Post
    I couldn't care less about Rochester or its AAA team. So long as the Twins' AAA affiliate isn't an extreme run environment like Las Vegas, then I don't see what difference it makes to Twins fans. I grew up in a AAA town, it's fun to go watch a game, but the standings at the end of the year just don't matter. Anyone pretending otherwise is just embarrassing himself.
    They matter very much to the people who own those teams and who are trying to put people in the seats so they can earn a living. Personally, it matters little to me what teams we end up affiliated with, but I've talked with a minor league club owner and they really are at the mercy of the parent club as to what quality product they put on the field. It's hard to run a business that way.

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    Rochester is important against the Twins going back to the PCL and the inflated stats from some of the ballparks. Remember the Twins affiliate could be in Las Vegas, Edmonton or several other places that are a long way from here. Callups from some of these places take 2 days to arrive. When you need help at a major league level, like now with two outfielders hurting, 2 days is a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckmt View Post
    Rochester is important against the Twins going back to the PCL and the inflated stats from some of the ballparks. Remember the Twins affiliate could be in Las Vegas, Edmonton or several other places that are a long way from here. Callups from some of these places take 2 days to arrive. When you need help at a major league level, like now with two outfielders hurting, 2 days is a long time.

    Vegas is an issue for other reasons, but both US Airways and Delta have many direct flights daily there; I suspect Southwest as well does. Not so many direct flights from Rochester, esp after Eastman-Kodak went belly up.
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