08-30-2012, 04:25 PM #21
who's all had the TJ this yr??
Carlos Gutierrez had shoulder surgery
Manuel Sollimon had shoulder surgery
Any word on Adrian Salcedo??
08-30-2012, 04:28 PM #22
It doesnt take up a roster spot if you're put on 60 day DL...what's the risk
If he did clear waivers, I think he automatically becomes a FA.....MN/ROC would have to sign him
08-30-2012, 04:54 PM #23
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For a little perspective, here is a Tommy John tracker:
Apparently pitchers outside the Twins organization undergo the procedure from time to time as well.Papers...business papers.
08-30-2012, 06:51 PM #24
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This should actually be considered progress. He was shut down a month ago. Typically, he'd end up having Tommy John sometime next spring.
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08-30-2012, 11:18 PM #27
Jhon Garcia had Tommy John earlier in the year.
Adrian Salcedo is still rehabbing his shoulder, although he had elbow problems first.
08-30-2012, 11:31 PM #28
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Hi, you've been acquired by the Minnesota Twins. Please sign this form to reserve a spot for Tommy John surgery...
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08-31-2012, 07:40 AM #32
Pitchers get TJS in this day and age, it's hard to blame the Twins for this happening. However they can be blamed for waiting so long on quite a few of these guys, but interestingly enough, they had no idea he needed TJS until they cut him open.
08-31-2012, 10:54 AM #33
Tommy John surgery happens - I liken it to horse racing, where the animals have been bred to be extremely musclebound, yet with a lightweight bone structure that puts them at risk of broken legs. It should be apparent by now (after an era of extreme muscle training, steroids, HGH, etc.) that there is a physical limit on how hard the collection of bones and soft tissue we call the human body can propel a baseball. That limit is just over 100mph, and what's amazing about that is that Bob Gibson and Nolan Ryan were throwing that hard without "modern" training and nutrition, and the same was probably true of even earlier pitchers. However, there is some anecdoal evidence from pitchers of the Christy Matthewson era that while pitchers threw tons of innings on short rest, they weren't always exerting themselves 100% during the course of a game. That may be a partial explanation for what's happened. Of course, prior to Tommy John surgery, pitchers DID get hurt - you just never heard from them again after they blew out their elbow.
Where the Twins are rippable is that they fail to diagnose a TJ situation, and they have this fear of the procedure like it's the kiss of death. It isn't anymore. You're essentially giving a pitcher a replacement part for soft tissue parts of the elbow that have been worn out over many years. Pitchers who recover from TJ surgery almost always end up throwing as hard (or harder) as they did before the procedure. So when the Twins mess around with guys like Baker and pretend like it will just get better, they're doing both themselves and the player a great disservice. It's better to get the damn thing fixed and get back to your career sooner.