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    Sox move Liriano to the pen

    Hmmm... Does this sound familiar? I'm glad he's Chicago's problem now...

    http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_2...ce=most_viewed

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    Senior Member All-Star IdahoPilgrim's Avatar
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    I don't know that anybody should be surprised at this. Liriano has always started slow, peaked in June and July, and tapered off in the last part of the season. That's why I'm glad we moved him when we did, even if it was for a pittance. Better something than nothing.

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    Owner MVP Seth Stohs's Avatar
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    Yeah, even if Eduardo Escobar is "only" a 4-6 year utility guy for the Twins, it was the right thing to deal Liriano. Pedro Hernandez certainly has a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter as early as sometime next year.

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    I bet he beats the Twins Friday nite!

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    Great deal in hindsight even though we all hated it at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Yeah, even if Eduardo Escobar is "only" a 4-6 year utility guy for the Twins, it was the right thing to deal Liriano. Pedro Hernandez certainly has a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter as early as sometime next year.
    It's going to be tricky for Hernandez to navigate his way through that back-of-the-rotation logjam the Twins have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    It's going to be tricky for Hernandez to navigate his way through that back-of-the-rotation logjam the Twins have.
    The Twins will have to run a 10 man rotation to make use of all that talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    It's going to be tricky for Hernandez to navigate his way through that back-of-the-rotation logjam the Twins have.
    The Twins will have to run a 10 man rotation to make use of all that talent.
    Not sure talent is the correct word to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Pedro Hernandez certainly has a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter as early as sometime next year.
    Anybody with one arm and a pulse has a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter for the Twins next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Yeah, even if Eduardo Escobar is "only" a 4-6 year utility guy for the Twins, it was the right thing to deal Liriano. Pedro Hernandez certainly has a chance to be a back-of-the-rotation starter as early as sometime next year.
    Escobar's already used two option years. If he's with the Twins after 2013, it either means he has been unexpectedly productive and the Twins never needed to demote their utility player, or he was so bad, no other teams want to claim him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    Great deal in hindsight even though we all hated it at the time.

    Not all of us. Is it too early for an "I toldja so"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70charger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    Great deal in hindsight even though we all hated it at the time.

    Not all of us. Is it too early for an "I toldja so"?
    Nope. Not at all.

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    Can we still pay Liriano three years and thirty million just out of dedication to his "ace"ness?

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    I was hoping a new venue might help him get his act together...guess not.

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    And to think of all hyperventilating in the wake of that trade and silly talk about how much more we should have been able to get for him.

    He's the same player he's always been. He'll tease you with glimpses of greatness, but inevitably let you down when it counts.

    This performance will always epitmoize Liriano to me:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/bo...00809260.shtml

    2008. We had just swept the Whities at the Dome, the last win coming in dramatic walk-off fashion against Jenks. One series to go, 3 at the Dome against the light-hitting Royals. A series win puts us in the postseason. Liriano was our starter for the first game of that series, and he got shelled. At home. By one of the weakest lineups in the league. Momentum gone, took the wind right out of our sails. He comes through there, and there's no need for a game 163.

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    How Liriano has pitched has no bearing on whether or not the trade was a good decision. That's like saying the Twins should have traded Justin Morneau after 2009 because he got hurt in 2010. The only thing that matters when evaluating a trade is what was known about the player leading up to the trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
    How Liriano has pitched has no bearing on whether or not the trade was a good decision. That's like saying the Twins should have traded Justin Morneau after 2009 because he got hurt in 2010. The only thing that matters when evaluating a trade is what was known about the player leading up to the trade.
    That's actually very true. Which means that, regardless of the whining over the return we got for Liriano, we should be glad that we made the decision to get that bad pitcher off of our roster. Of course, the validation ex post helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxtung View Post
    How Liriano has pitched has no bearing on whether or not the trade was a good decision. That's like saying the Twins should have traded Justin Morneau after 2009 because he got hurt in 2010. The only thing that matters when evaluating a trade is what was known about the player leading up to the trade.
    And what was known about Liriano before the trade was that his pitching ability tended to be unstable, never being able to maintain his brief moments of success more than a couple of months.

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    Should be interesting to see what kind of market Liriano has during the offseason.

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