10-08-2012, 05:09 PM #61
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IF you do the deal for Shields, it may take Span +. I would rather give them Parmalee(which fills two of Tampa's needs cheaply) and would only add about 6 mil to the Twins payroll. What is not being dicsussed that often is that either Hicks or Arcia should be here next year, so I would think Span or Revere needs to be moved to make room. Middle indield is also a need and that will need some money spent on it. Twins still need either a shortstop or a second basemen who can hit if they wish to be competitive. This is along with much more ptiching.
10-08-2012, 06:00 PM #62
Verlander had his "bad" season (which was still quite a bit better than Shield's much worse "bad" season) at age 25. Shields bottomed out in his age 28 season. Shields overperformed his xFIP by a large margin in 2011 and is slightly underperforming it this season. Reality is probably somewhere between those two seasons. A very good pitcher, not a great one and a pitcher that won't drastically overperform his roughly $11m salary over the next two years.
10-08-2012, 06:42 PM #63
My point on Shields has nothing to do with his real value. It has everything to do with what the DRays ask for their players. They tend to ask the moon for return on their guys and offer the toilet for other teams' players. It has been their reputation for a number of years now.Staff Writer for Tomahawktake.com, come check it out!
10-08-2012, 06:46 PM #64
10-08-2012, 06:48 PM #65
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree Brock. I just think more highly of him than you do apparently. However, I would think that you would agree with me that he is the best pitcher that we could realistically acquire. I do agree with you that I wouldn't overpay for him either, as I wouldn't for anyone in the state we're in.
10-08-2012, 06:52 PM #66
10-08-2012, 06:59 PM #67
I'm not even down on Shields. I like him as a pitcher quite a bit. I only think that if it takes significantly more to get him than Span, I'd pass. Shields has been an above average innings-eater but you can't bank on him being much more than that. I don't really buy into his 2011 season and at over $10m a year, he's not much of a steal, especially if you have to give up valuable assets to get him.
10-08-2012, 11:16 PM #68
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Edwin Jackson is nowhere close to Shields. He's not an ace but that's also why he's potentially available. I would be absolutely thrilled to have a 2/3 starter in this rotation. If you really like Jackson then it's still possible to pick him up also.
I think a guy like Shields is the best direction in a trade of Span or Willy. I would love to get a couple of great prospects for them but teams are very hesitant with giving up prospects and most likely the return will be borderline awful if you push to deal either of them. I wish Shields was locked up for a 3rd yr but this beats the hell out of shelling out a 4+/60+ contract for someone like him that is probably older.