10-10-2012, 11:51 AM #21
10-10-2012, 05:17 PM #22
Lefties just need to accept that their guy had a bad showing. I still think he's the lead dog in the race, but he opened a door for Romney that Romney desperately needed. It had nothing to do with Romney and everything to do with his poor showing. There was nothing unique about the debate either. The excuses just get old, so I apologize if my patience with them is thin.
10-10-2012, 05:20 PM #23
10-10-2012, 06:32 PM #24
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At this point, I have no idea what to expect from the man and that virtually negates any chance he has of getting my vote. All I see is a guy who is pushing another form of trickle-down (really, again?) and being incredibly vague on how he plans to balance the budget when simple math says it's impossible based on the few details he has given us. If he had the courage to stand up and actually lay out a real plan, I'd listen. I may disagree with that plan, but I'd at least listen to it and give it a fair shot. Romney has been far too cryptic for my liking (as was Obama during 2008), which leads me to wonder if he has any conviction at all.
10-11-2012, 02:55 AM #25
Recapping the position changes: Obama did adopt a healthcare mandate and a more hawkish policy on foreign, but beyond that I think you'd be hard pressed to find substantive differences between Obama's primary policy and his general election policies. As for Romney, it's EVERY SINGLE ISSUE, from abortion to taxes to healthcare. I just don't get why you'd try to equate the two candidates, in terms of their distortion, when it's so clear one is so heavy in the red. I just don't get your angle.
10-11-2012, 02:58 AM #26
10-11-2012, 07:08 AM #27
1) Suggesting that people changing their minds from a debate are shallow is truly asinine. Especially given how much both parties use advertising to change minds. If you watched the debate, paid attention, and thought about it - to me that's a great thing. Regardless of political orientation. We should be pleased people are tuning in rather than disparaging them for taking it seriously.
2) The primary process presents distorted candidates - it did for McCain, Obama, Hillary, Romney, etc. It's something we're all going to have to accept as long as it's around.
3) Distortion is a common political ploy that neither party holds a monopoly on. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
4) Obama lost that debate at a time when a decisive win could have made his re-election pretty much a given. If lefties want to come up with excuses for that I find it pathetic. Apparently, yesterday, even Obama was tired of hearing it and came out and said the same thing.
10-11-2012, 12:21 PM #28
No one said anything about changing ones mind based on a commercial being any less shallow. Both just give more constant exposure to those who dont need it, and shut out those who do(every other parties candidates) But there is a big difference between exagerating or omitting, and completely reversing ones stance. Are both dishonest? Yeah. But the later tends to fall into the outright lie category usually.
Its like when you hear the mouthpieces say obama lied, they point to something he promised In 2007-8 that hasnt materialed. When people call romney out, they just point to almost anything he's said, cause he's probably claimed the exact opposite.
10-11-2012, 01:03 PM #29
10-11-2012, 05:33 PM #30
10-12-2012, 08:59 AM #31
You're right, its pretty much the same when republicans, for instance, imply that being gay is a crime punishable by stoning to death, and when democrats imply that rich people paying more in taxes will just magically make a company more willing to hire folks. Pretty much the same thing.
10-12-2012, 04:03 PM #32