10-05-2012, 05:35 PM #1
The "Firings" that were not.
It is still developing but it seems that 2 of the 5 coaching openings the Twins are having (BP, 1B, 3B, Hitting, Bench) will be filed by Scottie and Vavry. So only 3 new coaches, so just chairs were rearranged on the Titanic and 2 of the 3 who were fired (Stelly and Jerry) were the least responsible for this mess and the third (Liddly) was on his way to retirement.
Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors
Way to go Mr non-interim. Talking about accountability...
Meanwhile, Mr non-interim called Paul Molitor "non-compatible" and admitted that he will not be in the running for a coach position, even though the Hall of Famer said he was interested.
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10-05-2012, 05:39 PM #2
Are you suggesting Varva becomes Bench Coach and Ulger becomes 1b Coach or something? Because why would the team publicly announce they had been reassigned to infield and outfield instruction?
10-05-2012, 05:44 PM #3
Look, just because Vavra and Ullger aren't coaches anymore doesn't mean that they won't have a huge impact on this system in their new positions (in fact, they may actually have more of an impact). And I bet that they didn't take much -- if any -- of a pay cut.
Similar to the Bill Smith 'termination' last year, this is wholly intended to get the fan base to buy season tickets.
It has very little to do with genuine change in this organization.
10-05-2012, 05:45 PM #4
10-05-2012, 05:56 PM #5
I hadn't read the news conference notes until now. So Ullger and Vavra are still at the major league level.
This is so pitiful. I hope the White Sox take a long look at a position for Stelly. And that White and Liddle find positions they'd like as well.
Look up the word scapegoat: their pictures should be there soon.
What a joke this franchise has become.
10-05-2012, 05:56 PM #6
10-05-2012, 05:58 PM #7
One interesting thing about this. Can someone clarify for me. Does this mean that the Twins are increasing their ML staff? Wasn't infield/outfield instruction previously handled by coaches?
10-05-2012, 05:59 PM #8Ryan's words
10-05-2012, 05:59 PM #9
Also, I like Molitor, but why is he assumed to be the savior of this franchise? The dude had his shot to be the manager once but pulled out at the last minute because of the contraction talk/what not.
If the managerial job is open, yeah interview him, but I understand them not wanting him as the bench coach (as people would instantly be calling for him to replace Gardy)
10-05-2012, 06:12 PM #10
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I just don't think these things are worth caring about. Whether they fire 3 or 5 or everyone, it's not what really matters. I don't think there are any coaching staffs that could have won 90 games with this team, so to me, holding them accountable seems false in and of itself.
Now, if there's something going on in the clubhouse where players are bored listening to the same guys, then the moves are justified, but I'd think it'd be worthwhile to stop believing that personnel moves (or non-moves) are going to make a huge impact on the team in the win column.
Ultimately, the accountability should be on the front office and organization in their evaluation of players and refusal to spend money to improve the team through FA.
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10-05-2012, 06:44 PM #16
10-05-2012, 06:45 PM #17
You can watch the Press Conference on star tribune. TR clearly says Varva and Ulger were reassigned. However, he goes on to say that they are in a the market for a Bullpen Coach, a Hitting Coach, and a Bench Coach.
So are we to understand that Varva and Ulger will also man 1B and 3B coaching positions? And does that mean Glynn to BC, Bruno to HC and Cueller to BPC? I guess it makes sense, but the Twins mishandled the information poorly yesterday...
10-05-2012, 06:48 PM #18
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There is so many conflicting reports about whats happening with this situation!
10-05-2012, 06:50 PM #19
Gardy is incredibly intimidated by players who were better players than he was. It undermines him. Dont believe me.....who have the Twins had as a coach that had any type of a relevant MLB career??
This is a major reason why Molitor & Gardy didnt mesh well the first time thru.
Molly will be the backup plan for manager if Gardy is cut loose next season & gardy wouldnt want him on the staff as the trust factor wouldnt be there between the two.
10-05-2012, 06:51 PM #20
Yes, That is what it means. More information here.
What the Twins' did yesterday, was not "mishandling" it was "misleading". And I do suspect that other things came up. (like maybe the manager of the millennium threatening to quit if all of his buddies were not back and/or if Molitor was considered).
The goats for a 99 and 96 loss seasons:
Stelly and Jerry
Seriously. Net result. Think about that for a second and then think about integrity.