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    Should Twins Go After Clubhouse Cancer Yunel Escobar?

    With Mike Aviles going to the Blue Jays as part of the Ferrell deal, it probably makes Escobar available. (Although first indications are for Aviles to play 2B or UT.) Knowing his history, is Escobar enough of an upgrade for the Twins to inquire?

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    "clubhouse cancer"
    so I am sure that you made up your mind based on that characterization...

    The issue with Escobar (that one, not the Twins' one) is his play. Below par and Florimon is better. So that's that

    and as far as "clubhouse cancers" go, the manager of the millennium is the biggest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    "clubhouse cancer"
    so I am sure that you made up your mind based on that characterization...

    The issue with Escobar (that one, not the Twins' one) is his play. Below par and Florimon is better. So that's that

    and as far as "clubhouse cancers" go, the manager of the millennium is the biggest...
    I think the dude was being sarcastic with the clubhouse cancer comment (or noting that he'd come cheaply because of that rep), but sinceyou lack a sense humor, so I can see how you could miss that.

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    Thrylos is the cancer killing this forum.

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    Thrylos just wanted to get his point across in this post that he doesn't like ownership, doesn't like the GM, doesn't like the manager, just like he does in every other post. I believe he thinks we just don't get his dislike of the current regime.

    Thry - we get it. It's why you are approaching 1900 posts. Clearly there's nothing you like about the Twins, so why not just transfer your loyalties to the Phillies?

    My point was that the Twins need a major upgrade at MI because Florimon, et al are clearly not the answer. Pseudo, you are correct, I believe we could get him cheaply because he is percieved as a cancer. $5-6M per season is about right for a decent (not great) SS, it's not far from what we should be paying JJ Hardy. Be that as it may, I do think that Escobar could be a disruptive force in the clubhouse. I also don't think that that should be an automatic disqualifier, if he can help this club back to respectability. He's only 29. I believe that the trade route will ultimately give us the answer at SS. This might be one avenue, but there might be other options out there if we use our organizational strength of outfield depth. Unfortunately, good outfielders are a dime a dozen and will be available on the open market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Thrylos is the cancer killing this forum.
    last time I checked this forum has been happy and aye-live (and killing it in ad revenues )
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    Talented Young SS's are not given up unless they have a problem. Plenty of reports about Escobar being an attitude mess and you can assume that is why he is not handling SS for Atlanta right now. Alex Gonzalez was older and a lesser talent. Pastornicky is a fairly decent prospect but to me the trade looked like ridding yourself of someone for a left hander.

    As for clubhouse cancers. They are fine if you are winning. They are a nightmare if you are losing. With this pitching staff... I believe Escobar would be a mistake for the Twins.

    Besides... Too many Escobars on the roster would confuse me.

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    I'd really like to see a professional team full of "clubhouse cancers" one of these days....actually an argument could be made for the New York Jets. Ok I really mean a successful team full of cancer. Maybe I just like the idea of 10+ wrongs making a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
    Thrylos just wanted to get his point across in this post that he doesn't like ownership, doesn't like the GM, doesn't like the manager, just like he does in every other post. I believe he thinks we just don't get his dislike of the current regime.

    Thry - we get it. It's why you are approaching 1900 posts. Clearly there's nothing you like about the Twins, so why not just transfer your loyalties to the Phillies?

    My point was that the Twins need a major upgrade at MI because Florimon, et al are clearly not the answer. Pseudo, you are correct, I believe we could get him cheaply because he is percieved as a cancer. $5-6M per season is about right for a decent (not great) SS, it's not far from what we should be paying JJ Hardy. Be that as it may, I do think that Escobar could be a disruptive force in the clubhouse. I also don't think that that should be an automatic disqualifier, if he can help this club back to respectability. He's only 29. I believe that the trade route will ultimately give us the answer at SS. This might be one avenue, but there might be other options out there if we use our organizational strength of outfield depth. Unfortunately, good outfielders are a dime a dozen and will be available on the open market.
    you think because a person doesnt like management or ownership , or if a person expects more then what the twins will do they should change teams???? hears a little tip , if you dont like what he writes dont read it ....but most learned fans whos noses arnt attached to management rear end know its time for new blood, as for trading for a shortstop why go after a 29 year old if we are not going after 2 front of the rotation pitchers? it will be plain to see if the front office wants to win or just wants to send up a smoke screen by what they pursue if pitching.....if its 2nd and 3rd tier inning eaters why sign a 29 year old when he will be retired before we have a decent starting rotation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    I'd really like to see a professional team full of "clubhouse cancers" one of these days....actually an argument could be made for the New York Jets. Ok I really mean a successful team full of cancer. Maybe I just like the idea of 10+ wrongs making a right.
    lol... It would be an interesting team to watch.

    C AJ
    1B Adam Dunn
    2B Yunel Escobar
    3B Hanley
    SS Jose Reyes
    LF Colby Rasmus
    CF BJ Upton
    RF Justin Upton
    DH Delmon

    Manny and Milton on the bench. Stephen Drew and JD Drew on the bench.

    Carlos Zambrano on the mound... Josh Beckett. K rod in the pen.

    Or we can just look at the Red Sox and Marlins this year... Start with those clubs and make them worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
    Thrylos just wanted to get his point across in this post that he doesn't like ownership, doesn't like the GM, doesn't like the manager, just like he does in every other post. I believe he thinks we just don't get his dislike of the current regime.

    Thry - we get it. It's why you are approaching 1900 posts. Clearly there's nothing you like about the Twins, so why not just transfer your loyalties to the Phillies?

    My point was that the Twins need a major upgrade at MI because Florimon, et al are clearly not the answer. Pseudo, you are correct, I believe we could get him cheaply because he is percieved as a cancer. $5-6M per season is about right for a decent (not great) SS, it's not far from what we should be paying JJ Hardy. Be that as it may, I do think that Escobar could be a disruptive force in the clubhouse. I also don't think that that should be an automatic disqualifier, if he can help this club back to respectability. He's only 29. I believe that the trade route will ultimately give us the answer at SS. This might be one avenue, but there might be other options out there if we use our organizational strength of outfield depth. Unfortunately, good outfielders are a dime a dozen and will be available on the open market.
    you think because a person doesnt like management or ownership , or if a person expects more then what the twins will do they should change teams???? hears a little tip , if you dont like what he writes dont read it ....but most learned fans whos noses arnt attached to management rear end know its time for new blood, as for trading for a shortstop why go after a 29 year old if we are not going after 2 front of the rotation pitchers? it will be plain to see if the front office wants to win or just wants to send up a smoke screen by what they pursue if pitching.....if its 2nd and 3rd tier inning eaters why sign a 29 year old when he will be retired before we have a decent starting rotation?
    well eye certinley cant' arguu wit tht logic...

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    The problem with Escobar IMO is he just isn't very good, is he better then what we have? Probably, but he isn't a good enough player to deal with the headaches. That thing he did with his eye black was one of the more dumb things I have heard an athlete do in quite some time.


    In 2011 he had a nice season no doubt, but his .644 and .655 OPS surrounding that season has me a bit skeptical, he is however a slick fielder, just to much baggage IMO, maybe if the Twins are in the hunt around the deadline you trade for him, but bringing him in to be the starter from day 1 seems like a mistake to me.

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    Yunel Escobar sucks?

    Career .743 OPS with good defense.

    Does anyone know another player with those numbers? J.J. Hardy.

    Yunel is exactly the type of player the Twins should go after. He does sound like a jerk in the clubhouse but all indications are that he will be dumped by the Jays because of that attitude. And he's locked up for 1 more year with 2 5M options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
    Thrylos just wanted to get his point across in this post that he doesn't like ownership, doesn't like the GM, doesn't like the manager, just like he does in every other post. I believe he thinks we just don't get his dislike of the current regime.

    Thry - we get it. It's why you are approaching 1900 posts. Clearly there's nothing you like about the Twins, so why not just transfer your loyalties to the Phillies?

    My point was that the Twins need a major upgrade at MI because Florimon, et al are clearly not the answer. Pseudo, you are correct, I believe we could get him cheaply because he is percieved as a cancer. $5-6M per season is about right for a decent (not great) SS, it's not far from what we should be paying JJ Hardy. Be that as it may, I do think that Escobar could be a disruptive force in the clubhouse. I also don't think that that should be an automatic disqualifier, if he can help this club back to respectability. He's only 29. I believe that the trade route will ultimately give us the answer at SS. This might be one avenue, but there might be other options out there if we use our organizational strength of outfield depth. Unfortunately, good outfielders are a dime a dozen and will be available on the open market.
    you think because a person doesnt like management or ownership , or if a person expects more then what the twins will do they should change teams???? hears a little tip , if you dont like what he writes dont read it ....but most learned fans whos noses arnt attached to management rear end know its time for new blood, as for trading for a shortstop why go after a 29 year old if we are not going after 2 front of the rotation pitchers? it will be plain to see if the front office wants to win or just wants to send up a smoke screen by what they pursue if pitching.....if its 2nd and 3rd tier inning eaters why sign a 29 year old when he will be retired before we have a decent starting rotation?
    well eye certinley cant' arguu wit tht logic...
    glad your on board cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrylos98 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Thrylos is the cancer killing this forum.
    last time I checked this forum has been happy and aye-live (and killing it in ad revenues )
    Thyrlos. In spite of you they are doing well. For the most part it is the analytic ability of the organizers of this site, not the frequent posters that drive the intellectual content of the site. The minor league analysis provided by the posters like Cricket provide interesting perspective. What do you provide with your all to frequent negativity without analysis to back it (N.B. there has never been a manager of the millennium)? Ageism as an excuse is not analysis.
    Last edited by old nurse; 10-22-2012 at 12:57 AM.

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    I don't know how you can't take a chance on this guy if he is available. Delmon was a cancer? Not really. He was just annoying. As was Orlando Hudson. But Gardy can deal with that if he hits you .275 and plays D. Escobar would be a huge upgrade over Floriman or the other Escobar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyB View Post
    Thrylos just wanted to get his point across in this post that he doesn't like ownership, doesn't like the GM, doesn't like the manager, just like he does in every other post. I believe he thinks we just don't get his dislike of the current regime.

    Thry - we get it. It's why you are approaching 1900 posts. Clearly there's nothing you like about the Twins, so why not just transfer your loyalties to the Phillies?

    My point was that the Twins need a major upgrade at MI because Florimon, et al are clearly not the answer. Pseudo, you are correct, I believe we could get him cheaply because he is percieved as a cancer. $5-6M per season is about right for a decent (not great) SS, it's not far from what we should be paying JJ Hardy. Be that as it may, I do think that Escobar could be a disruptive force in the clubhouse. I also don't think that that should be an automatic disqualifier, if he can help this club back to respectability. He's only 29. I believe that the trade route will ultimately give us the answer at SS. This might be one avenue, but there might be other options out there if we use our organizational strength of outfield depth. Unfortunately, good outfielders are a dime a dozen and will be available on the open market.
    you think because a person doesnt like management or ownership , or if a person expects more then what the twins will do they should change teams???? hears a little tip , if you dont like what he writes dont read it ....but most learned fans whos noses arnt attached to management rear end know its time for new blood, as for trading for a shortstop why go after a 29 year old if we are not going after 2 front of the rotation pitchers? it will be plain to see if the front office wants to win or just wants to send up a smoke screen by what they pursue if pitching.....if its 2nd and 3rd tier inning eaters why sign a 29 year old when he will be retired before we have a decent starting rotation?
    Does anybody really think they could get 2 #1-2 starters today without gutting the minors and destroying their payroll? Where would that put them?

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    The Twins already have enough middle-infielders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Higuys View Post
    The Twins already have enough middle-infielders
    Unfortunately, the only one who has shown himself to have somewhat major league starter quality talent is going to be 39 before spring training starts next year and has spent most of his career as a utility man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    I'd really like to see a professional team full of "clubhouse cancers" one of these days....actually an argument could be made for the New York Jets. Ok I really mean a successful team full of cancer. Maybe I just like the idea of 10+ wrongs making a right.
    lol... It would be an interesting team to watch.

    C AJ
    1B Adam Dunn
    2B Yunel Escobar
    3B Hanley
    SS Jose Reyes
    LF Colby Rasmus
    CF BJ Upton
    RF Justin Upton
    DH Delmon

    Manny and Milton on the bench. Stephen Drew and JD Drew on the bench.

    Carlos Zambrano on the mound... Josh Beckett. K rod in the pen.

    Or we can just look at the Red Sox and Marlins this year... Start with those clubs and make them worse.
    Can we trade Delmon, but keep his moustache on the team?

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