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    Article: Do the Tigers really have that much more money than the Twins?

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    The Pohlad's have been laughing all the way to the bank since the day the tax-payers of Hennepin county decided to fund a stadium for them. Rich mans welfare. I hope they choke on their money, because they aren't going to spend it on their baseball team.

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    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.
    Then do something about it, Twins.

    Bin-diving and settling for the middle road will only keep them in the middle of the pack.

    Commit to winning. OR make it a youth movement.

    It's resulted in wasting the last couple years of some key players' careers. And it doesn't look like it's getting any better.

    All talk from this org the past couple of years. Want to win, embarrassed by losing, blah,blah,blah.

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    The Tiger's owner spends some of his own money out of pocket to improve the team and doesn't care about making money with the Tigers. The Twins owners base payroll off of revenue only. There's your difference in payroll and attitude toward winning.

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    Your right on either spend some money and get some pitching or commit to a youth movement your wasting time just having a few good players that are in there prime Willingham, Morneau etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Ed View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.
    Then do something about it, Twins.

    Bin-diving and settling for the middle road will only keep them in the middle of the pack.

    Commit to winning. OR make it a youth movement.

    It's resulted in wasting the last couple years of some key players' careers. And it doesn't look like it's getting any better.

    All talk from this org the past couple of years. Want to win, embarrassed by losing, blah,blah,blah.
    You are absolutely right. I tend to agree with the Twins FO theory that they can't just buy a contender and that spending big on FA signings that handcuff you for 6 years is not a good way to build a consistent contender. But, given that strategy, they should have blown up this team in 2011. It was clear to anyone that this organization did not have anything close to impact talent in the upper minors, so it was going to take free agents filling those holes to be competitive. And if you're not spending to bring in big free agents, you're left with a crappy team. Given their recent track record in the draft (terrible), they should have been relying on veteran sell-off trades to stock the upper minors with talent. They have had valuable pieces the last couple of years but have let them leave for nothing. Now they're in a position where they need 4! starting pitchers to field a decent team and there is next to nothing still in the system.

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    Ilitch and the Pohlads are both worth over 2.5 billion. Ilitch is 83 certainly can never spend all that money and wants to win while still alive.

    Pohlads seem content to make more money so they can move up the Forbes list while winning is secondary. It's always been this way so no need to think it will change. If you are waiting for Jim Pohlad to tell Ryan spend what ever you need to make a team that can win a world series I think we'll wait a long time or maybe when he's in his 80's?

    We have to remember that the Pohlads were going along with contraction. NO MORE TWINS. They have a lot less attachment to baseball and sports than Ilitch does.

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    Have none of you been to Detroit? It's a thriving economic Eden of oppulance and home to the most affluent and spend-happy people in the midwest. Obviously there is more money to go around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Ilitch and the Pohlads are both worth over 2.5 billion. Ilitch is 83 certainly can never spend all that money and wants to win while still alive.

    Pohlads seem content to make more money so they can move up the Forbes list while winning is secondary. It's always been this way so no need to think it will change. If you are waiting for Jim Pohlad to tell Ryan spend what ever you need to make a team that can win a world series I think we'll wait a long time or maybe when he's in his 80's?

    We have to remember that the Pohlads were going along with contraction. NO MORE TWINS. They have a lot less attachment to baseball and sports than Ilitch does.
    Carl Pohlad owned the Twins when there was talk of contraction, and I'm fairly confident he has very little input on decisions anymore.

    Also, if we're going to get all drooly over Ilitch, it should probably be pointed out that the Twins have finished ahead of the Tigers in 14 of the 21 seasons they've shared a division (all under Ilitch's ownership). The Twins have also won their shared division 6 times compared to 2 for the Tigers.

    There's also that the Tigers didn't contend a single time for the first 14 years of Ilitch's ownership, and only got over 0.500 once in that span (his second season).
    Last edited by CDog; 11-14-2012 at 02:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.
    But they didn't go for it...they gutted their middle IF and bullpen and signed Nishi. They actively downgraded their team. Normal raises, along with Mauer's contract kicking in is what happened...but they didn't go for it. What 'final pieces' did they bring in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.
    There is no evidence that the Twins went $20M over budget for payroll. At most, they went $8M (the cost of Pavano), and based on their own statements, it was probably closer to $4M. I don't personally have any problem with the Twins running their business like a business while Ilitch treats his like a fancy toy with super neat-o expensive options. But let's not pretend that the Twins ever did anything close to what Ilitch is doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I would say that when the Twins felt they had a team that could compete, two years ago, they went about $20 million over budget to bring in some final pieces. It makes no sense to spend that much to finish 3rd or 4th.
    There is no evidence that the Twins went $20M over budget for payroll. At most, they went $8M (the cost of Pavano), and based on their own statements, it was probably closer to $4M. I don't personally have any problem with the Twins running their business like a business while Ilitch treats his like a fancy toy with super neat-o expensive options. But let's not pretend that the Twins ever did anything close to what Ilitch is doing now.
    There's also no evidence to suggest the raise in payroll happened to bring in final pieces missing from the 2010 team for a run...

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    Just think Detroit is not even close to being done yet. The Tigers will make some more moves, they need a closer and more. Unfortunately , the Twins will sit on their hands while Detroit is going for the whole shebang

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    The blow it up talk is total crap. we are what 3 starting pitchers and a few bench/ bullpen arm away. not an impossible task to overcome. We do need to be smart how we deploy resources. We can sign a mid rotation pitcher and trade for another then we are just 1 arm away.....bench. there are several low cost options available and same with bullpen. Get the starting pitching and everything will come into place. The biggest offensive question has already been resolved with Parmalee going to right field that increases the power output in our lineup. Bench could be strengthened with several players, Gomez, Andrew Jones, Inge, and others. bullpen.... we should have plenty of options there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico7961 View Post
    The Pohlad's have been laughing all the way to the bank since the day the tax-payers of Hennepin county decided to fund a stadium for them. Rich mans welfare. I hope they choke on their money, because they aren't going to spend it on their baseball team.
    So do you think the Pohlad's should simply write out a check from their personal (not Twins) bank account and pick up Zack Greinke and Josh Hamilton?
    "Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm3319 View Post
    The Tiger's owner spends some of his own money out of pocket to improve the team and doesn't care about making money with the Tigers.
    Gotta link? I'd like to look this up.
    "Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Ilitch and the Pohlads are both worth over 2.5 billion. Ilitch is 83 certainly can never spend all that money and wants to win while still alive.
    So do you think Illitch simply wrote out a check from his personal (not Tigers) bank account and picked up Prince Fielder and Torii Hunter?
    "Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand."

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    It seems the Twins have three problems to fix: a) disparity of local broadcast TV revenues, b) PR problem of perceived commitment to winning, and c) ability to turn amateur players into top professional players. So far, a) has not been discussed at all, b) only so far as adding some "value" players (which might be considered as only a "left-handed" attempt)--and those guys have yet to be signed yet, and c) an admission of "Patience, Folks, but we did draft a lot of pitchers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by powrwrap View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Ilitch and the Pohlads are both worth over 2.5 billion. Ilitch is 83 certainly can never spend all that money and wants to win while still alive.
    So do you think Illitch simply wrote out a check from his personal (not Tigers) bank account and picked up Prince Fielder and Torii Hunter?
    Actually, if I remember correctly, that's exactly what he did for Fielder...He definitely told his GM to go get him, period.

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