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    Take a chance on Figgins?

    I know Chone Figgins has been bad since he left the Angels. Really one of the biggest free agent busts in Mariner history if not in all of baseball. That said, the Twins need a lead off hitter, they want someone to compete at thirdbase. Figgins can do both and can play second and the outffield. I wouldn't do anything more than a one year minor league deal with a spring training invite. After batting less than .200 the last 2 years, I don't think anyone else is going to give him anything more. He was a good player for the Angels and a bad player for the Mariners. Maybe a change of uniforms is all he needs. If not, the Twins release him or leave him in the minors.

    Could be one of those low risk, high reward situations the Twins seem to covet.

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    Especially after today, I definitely like him at $1M or less as a backup 3B and now a CF option.

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    It's more like a low risk, decent reward situation. He makes a lot more sense today than he did a week ago, and I'd probably make the offer to him. If he hits .250 and gives them some depth in the OF & IF, that's a decent reward. But the worst case scenario is that Gardy falls in love with him, and plays him regularly, and bats him at the top of the order, while he hits .180 for two months until one of the AAA guys are close enough to ready to force the issue. That's a makes the risk higher than most might think.

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    Why not just go with Mastro and Benson while you wait for Hicks? Gardy loves guys like this....what does he bring to the team that Mastro and Benson don't?

    Play Plouffe every day at 3B, see what you have. Play Mastro/Benson, see what you have.

    Ah, Snepp....thanks. Another thread....
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quit being lazy, and copy and paste the entire thread here.

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    I would not mind one bit if we signed him for depth.

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    I would not mind if we gave him a minor league contract but that is as high as I'll go for someone that has hit like Buterrible for 2 seasons.

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    No. No. No. No. No. No.

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    I'd be interested if the FO thinks he can still play 2B. He was a good OBP guy back in LA. He wouldn't be the first guy to resurect his career after getting a huge payday then tanking in Seattle. Beltre certainly has been productive since he left. Ironic, Washington legalizes pot after the Mariners get rid of disappointing slackers.
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    Sign him before some one else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I'd be interested if the FO thinks he can still play 2B. He was a good OBP guy back in LA. He wouldn't be the first guy to resurect his career after getting a huge payday then tanking in Seattle. Beltre certainly has been productive since he left. Ironic, Washington legalizes pot after the Mariners get rid of disappointing slackers.
    I agree, it's pretty much a given that Figgins would be great in Minnesota with that undeniable trend of one guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I'd be interested if the FO thinks he can still play 2B. He was a good OBP guy back in LA. He wouldn't be the first guy to resurect his career after getting a huge payday then tanking in Seattle. Beltre certainly has been productive since he left. Ironic, Washington legalizes pot after the Mariners get rid of disappointing slackers.
    Nevermind that Safeco Field is absolutely brutal to right-handed pull hitters, like Beltre. Or that he was just 30 when he left Seattle. Or that Figgins is 35. Or that Figgins has been putting up Buteraesque production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    I'd be interested if the FO thinks he can still play 2B. He was a good OBP guy back in LA. He wouldn't be the first guy to resurect his career after getting a huge payday then tanking in Seattle. Beltre certainly has been productive since he left. Ironic, Washington legalizes pot after the Mariners get rid of disappointing slackers.
    Beltre and Figgins have virtually nothing in common as hitters.

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    Good Lord, call off the dogs. Nowhere did I say he would be useful, I simply implied he still may have something left in the tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    Good Lord, call off the dogs. Nowhere did I say he would be useful, I simply implied he still may have something left in the tank.
    It's possible, I suppose. His BABIP has been absurdly low over the past two seasons... But I don't think that has much to do with Safeco. Figgins puts the ball on the ground 40% of the time. Not an extreme amount but if he still had speed, there's no reason for his BABIP to be that low with 40% of his contact turning into groundballs. That probably means two things:

    1. He's old and slow now.
    2. He's making some really awful contact.

    And sure enough, his spray chart is ugly. I mean, I don't know if I've ever seen a spray chart like this. It's horrible. Look at all those outs on or around the pitching mound and on the third base grass and look at how few hits he has in the outfield, particularly directly to left, center, and right. That means almost none of his groundballs are getting through the infield. Jesus.

    figgins-spray.jpg

    For laughs, here is Drew Butera's spray chart. It actually looks good compared to Figgins:
    butera-spray.jpg

    What can we learn from this? That Chone Figgins is very, very bad at baseball now.

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    I will say it again, it is very likely that Figgins was the worst player in baseball over the past two years, yes probably even worse then Butera. At least Butera brings defensive value.

    No, Figgins can't play 2nd base any more, the last time he played 3 seasons ago he had a pretty crappy track record. In addition, he is basically a clubhouse cancer.

    A team like the Twins, who basically will need everything to go right in order to compete next year really have no business bringing in a ****ty ball player and a ****ty human into the fold.

    I never thought I would actually say "Give me Jack Hannahan" but give me him 8 days a week over freaking Chone. Also, Mark Derosa in all honesty would have a 10x greater chance to produce for us then garbage Figgins.

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    Carroll > Figgins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    Carroll > Figgins.
    Avian Flu> Justin Bieber > Joe Mays> Figgins

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Boom Boom View Post
    Carroll > Figgins.
    Avian Flu> Justin Bieber > Joe Mays> Figgins
    No Jeff Gray? Shame on you.
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