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    ESPN: Twins Optimal Year Of Contention is 2016

    This is "Insider" only, so please be respectful about lifting content, but ESPN writer Jason Martinez thinks the Twins optimal year of contention is 2016. What do you think. Will we need to wait four more seasons?

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    Why rush our prospects? Let's shoot for 2020.

    But seriously, I will be pretty unhappy with this organization if it takes them 4 years to get back into "contention" in the AL Central.

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    i could not access the insider article. but 2016 is when Kepler, Buxton, and Berrios should be ready. Along with a whole slew of older prospects.

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    I still think this is final year of rebuild - 2014 is transition year - 2015 is first year of real contention. This is assuming things go pretty well and a high percentage of prospects perform close to expected. If not it could be much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
    I still think this is final year of rebuild - 2014 is transition year - 2015 is first year of real contention. This is assuming things go pretty well and a high percentage of prospects perform close to expected. If not it could be much longer.
    true dat

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    This is sort of what I was trying to hint at in my post today. It's pretty optimistic to believe the Twins are going to build a contender around their current wave of prospects as soon as 2014 or even 2015. As drjim notes, it would require the vast majority of the guys they're counting on to stay healthy and on track (or in many cases ahead of expected schedule), which usually just isn't how it goes.

    At this point in 2015, Hicks, Arcia, Meyer, May, Sano and Hendriks will all be 25 or younger – not even into their "prime" years yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Bonnes View Post
    This is "Insider" only, so please be respectful about lifting content, but ESPN writer Jason Martinez thinks the Twins optimal year of contention is 2016. What do you think. Will we need to wait four more seasons?
    Im interested in your opinion John, when do you see the Twins contending?

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    This is also the point I was trying to get at in my post on the thread to Nick's article today. I sometimes wonder if our board posters, whom I think are more knowledgeable than the average fan, forget that it's one thing to arrive, another thing to thrive. If we're talking about a core of Hicks, Arcia, Meyer, May, Sano and Hendriks then we're talking 2016. If you want to talk Buxton, Berrios, Kepler, etc. Well, that's the second wave to reinforce the first and the two groups won't be formidable together until 2018/2019.

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    2015/2016 is when most of our best prospects should be up...not sure that automatically makes them contenders. 2016 is a bit unrealistic.

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    I think that they will be competitive in 2014 and 2015 as the prospects get their feet wet, but 2016 would be the earliest that the could be truly considered contenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    2015/2016 is when most of our best prospects should be up...not sure that automatically makes them contenders. 2016 is a bit unrealistic.
    Our best guys will still be in their early 20's...except for Mauer, of course. Doesn't sound like a Division Champion to me. But a MUCH more interesting product to watch and buy tickets to witness high-end talent

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnfanforlife View Post
    Our best guys will still be in their early 20's...except for Mauer, of course. Doesn't sound like a Division Champion to me. But a MUCH more interesting product to watch and buy tickets to witness high-end talent
    They'll be fun to watch in 2015/2016...

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    Perhaps I'm being optimistic but for me:
    2014= 2000 Minnesota Twins
    2015= 2001
    2016= 2002

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    Quote Originally Posted by iastfan112 View Post
    Perhaps I'm being optimistic but for me:
    2014= 2000 Minnesota Twins
    2015= 2001
    2016= 2002
    bloody hope so

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    They'll be fun to watch in 2015/2016...
    Who you got in across the 2016 infield?

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    This is all assuming that the Twins, in the next 4 years, will make no trades for major league players and won't sign any helpful free agents. Waiting patiently for the roster to be completely turned over to in-house options that may or may not pan out.

    The team's been bad the last two years, but this is the AL Central and there's even another wild card now. Isn't it possible that with a couple key free agent additions, even the 2013 Twins could compete? What if Arcia, Hicks, Hendriks, or Gibson (pick one) takes a big step forward in the next year or two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iastfan112 View Post
    Perhaps I'm being optimistic but for me:
    2014= 2000 Minnesota Twins
    2015= 2001
    2016= 2002
    Hopefully it is more like the late 80s early 90s
    They actually won in the post-season then.
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    I think 2015 is a realistic goal.....other than that Yes probably 2016.

    In 2015 i could strongly see a roster of something like (just some random sims and guesswork)

    Brian Roberts -2B
    Aaron Hicks - CF
    Joe Mauer -- C
    Justin Morneau - 1B/DH
    Oswaldo Arcia - LF
    Chris Parmelee - DH/RF
    Trevor Plouffe - 3B
    Eddie Rosaio - 2B/ RF
    Brian Dozier - SS
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    Chris Herrmann
    Danny Santana
    Nathan Roberts
    Eduardo Escobar

    With Miguel Sano in AAA (1B) and probably Kepler, Harrison and others in AA. I see Sano taking over 1B at someway mid-point of 2015 and pushing Morneau down to 5th or 6th in the lineup and at DH.


    Dyan Bundy (i have twins trading Willingham, Buxton, Hendriks, Wimmers, Beresford and possibly Parmelee to O's at deadline or 2013 off-season for Bundy and Roberts.)
    Kyle Gibson
    Scott Diamond
    Alex Meyer
    BJ Hermsen / Vance Worley

    Trevor May ( possible closer)
    Glen Perkins
    Jared Burton
    Brian Duensing
    Matt Hauser
    Zach Jones
    Caleb Theilbar / Tyler Robertson.
    Top Twins prospects ? 1.Byron Buxton (OF-A+)
    2.Miguel Sano (3B-AA) 3.Alex Meyer (SP-AA) 4. Kohl Stewart (SP-RK) 5. Eddie Rosario (2B-AA) 6. J.O. Berrios (P-A) 7. Josmil Pinto (C-AAA) 8. A.B. Walker (OF-A) 9. L. Thorpe (SP-RK) 10. Travis Harrison (3B-A) 11. Max Kepler (OF-A) 12. Trevor May (SP-AA) 13. Jorge Polanco (2B-A) 14. Kennys Vargas (1B-A+) 15. Miguel Sulbaran (SP-A) Just Missed:P Zach Jones, SS Aderlin Mejia, P Stephen Gonsalves, P Ryan Eades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shs_59 View Post
    I think 2015 is a realistic goal.....other than that Yes probably 2016.

    In 2015 i could strongly see a roster of something like (just some random sims and guesswork)

    Brian Roberts -2B
    Aaron Hicks - CF
    Joe Mauer -- C
    Justin Morneau - 1B/DH
    Oswaldo Arcia - LF
    Chris Parmelee - DH/RF
    Trevor Plouffe - 3B
    Eddie Rosaio - 2B/ RF
    Brian Dozier - SS
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    Chris Herrmann
    Danny Santana
    Nathan Roberts
    Eduardo Escobar

    With Miguel Sano in AAA (1B) and probably Kepler, Harrison and others in AA. I see Sano taking over 1B at someway mid-point of 2015 and pushing Morneau down to 5th or 6th in the lineup and at DH.


    Dyan Bundy (i have twins trading Willingham, Buxton, Hendriks, Wimmers, Beresford and possibly Parmelee to O's at deadline or 2013 off-season for Bundy and Roberts.)
    Kyle Gibson
    Scott Diamond
    Alex Meyer
    BJ Hermsen / Vance Worley

    Trevor May ( possible closer)
    Glen Perkins
    Jared Burton
    Brian Duensing
    Matt Hauser
    Zach Jones
    Caleb Theilbar / Tyler Robertson.
    Sorry to break it to you, there is no chance Dylan Bundy would get traded for a bunch of so so players and Buxton.
    If the Twins offered Gibson, Buxton,Meyer and Parmalee they would still get turned down.Dylan Bundy is an Ace and you never give up an ace for the package you had.

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    Does that article say (I'm not an insider) what "contention" means?

    Contending in the AL central is different from contending for a World Series. I think the Twins are going to be super interesting to watch in 2015 and 2016 what with all the young, developing talent. If they can put it together, the team could be scary good with very little money. A lot of ifs, of course.

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