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    Senior Member All-Star TheLeviathan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longdistancetwins View Post
    who use the word "bigotry" to refer to those who oppose same-sex marriage..
    By all means, describe why you're opposed to gay marriage. If it doesn't fit definitionally, I'll happily retract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longdistancetwins View Post
    (Don't call me "brother" back because I am a girl).
    What you want to be treated as valuable and acknowledged for having a unique point of view and social experience? How unreasonable. Hot damn, that's moral irony right there folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longdistancetwins View Post
    "You people" is referring to all advocates of gay rights, including the New York Times and many other so-called respectable media outlets, as well as people on Twins Daily, who use the word "bigotry" to refer to those who oppose same-sex marriage. So, we have nothing more to talk about--except the Twins, brother. (Don't call me "brother" back because I am a girl).
    For me the bottom line is that our system confers huge benefits to married people -- including tax benefits, inheritance rights and rights to social security survivor benefits.

    Do you believe that gay couples should not be able to get all of the same benefits as heterosexual couples? If not, then why?

    My sense is that ultimately all the arguments against gay marriage have a religious/cultural basis. That's not new. The arguments in favor of slavery and against female voting were very similar. The Bible talks about putting men to death for homosexuality, and it also has passages supporting slavery and women not having equal rights.

    Sadly, my experience has been that most people never sit down and actually read the Bible. My experience has been that there is a lot of value there, but also a lot that makes little sense, including the concept of putting people to death because they are homosexuals. Unless we want to trample on people's first amendment rights to be free from other people's religions, it seems to me that government policies should be based on religiously neutral principles.

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    Good post Glunn. The unfortunate reality is that strong religious faith can come with negativity as well if not fully considered. I know there are many people of many faiths who refuse to allow any person or book to allow them down the path of prejudice. But the reality is there a very significant population who do allow themselves to have bigoted feelings in the name of religion. I've yet to meet someone who, when pressed, can oppose gay marriage on any coherent, factual arguments. Unfortunately that only leaves prejudice left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    Good post Glunn. The unfortunate reality is that strong religious faith can come with negativity as well if not fully considered. I know there are many people of many faiths who refuse to allow any person or book to allow them down the path of prejudice. But the reality is there a very significant population who do allow themselves to have bigoted feelings in the name of religion. I've yet to meet someone who, when pressed, can oppose gay marriage on any coherent, factual arguments. Unfortunately that only leaves prejudice left.
    Precisely. Especially your last two sentences.

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    It's also worth pointing out that not all religions oppose gay marriage. When I was doing legal work in PA, the local Quaker and Mennonite Churches recognized same sex marriages and it was the government that didn't recognize them.

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    Frankly, I just don't understand those who claim what they do in the name of religious principle, then turn around and use that as a cover for nothing more than hate. For me, treating others as you would have them treat you is nothing more than a standard for equality. But for those who claim to be guided by religious principles, I guess the Golden Rule applies only to those who are what you think they should be and not who they are.

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    This thread is full of outrageous claims and lies, we all know there are no girls on the internet.

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