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    Mauer in Two-Hole

    LEN3 has today's lineup posted and it shows something many of us have longed for:
    1. Aaron Hicks, CF
    2. Joe Mauer, C
    3. Josh Willingham, LF
    4. Justin Morneau, 1B
    5. Ryan Doumit, DH
    6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
    7, Chris Parmelee, RF
    8. Eduardo Escobar, 2B
    9. Pedro Florimon, SS

    Joe Mauer, batting 2nd!?!

    Given that the roster is basically set, what's our best lineup? I like this, but mostly likely with Dozier in at 2nd and Escobar/Carroll filling in up the middle frequently.

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    Most likely Gardy isn't as comfy with Escobar at #2 as he is Dozier. I still fully expect Dozier at #2, but would prefer the above with Dozier instead of Escobar.

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    Please Gardybear, keep this lineup throughout the season, and bat Dozier in the 8 hole when he plays.
    Man is born free, but everywhere he is in chains.

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    Morneau scratched from the lineup (back tightness), Wilkin Ramirez takes over RF, Parm moving to 1B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    Morneau scratched from the lineup (back tightness), Wilkin Ramirez takes over RF, Parm moving to 1B.
    The first time Wally Pipp sat was innocuous enough, but doubtful that Parm is Iron Horse 2.

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    I like this lineup. At the very least, if used only for Escobar, it would indicate a break from the strict "batting order by position" stuff, which made Mike Redmond a semi-regular #3 hitter for a few years.

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    Play second...bat second. Gardy 101

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    If there was any credit given to Correia for 5 good innings in that game, I missed it.

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    Correia did save his only strikeout for the right time, I'll give him that.

    Otherwise it was a lot of batted balls that found gloves and not holes or seats. Do we credit him for that?

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    After hearing Bert go on about how defense likes pitchers who work quickly, I pulled the last 3 years of qualified starter pacing and FDP-Win values to see if there was any indication of a relationship. Looks like not.

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    Don't get carried away here. Next you're going to tell us that a team's best relief pitcher shouldn't be solely reserved for pitching the ninth inning while starting with no runners on and a lead. Blasphemy!

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    Dozier cannot bat second. There is no reason to do that, but I am sure Gardy will say something about "balance" in the lineup. Which is just plain stupid. If Dozier is worthy, in Gardy's eyes, of batting second, then putting him 8th instead seems like a more "balanced" approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    If there was any credit given to Correia for 5 good innings in that game, I missed it.
    Five innings of spring training baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raindog View Post
    Five innings of spring training baseball.
    We discuss innings of spring baseball for others. I'm hardly on record advocating Correia's signing, and I'm not doing handsprings now over this game. But the stony silence when things go well for him ... I dunno, I just felt like pointing it out. We do root for him to do well for the team, right? That's more important to me than being right about the $10M looking like a subpar investment in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    We discuss innings of spring baseball for others. I'm hardly on record advocating Correia's signing, and I'm not doing handsprings now over this game. But the stony silence when things go well for him ... I dunno, I just felt like pointing it out. We do root for him to do well for the team, right? That's more important to me than being right about the $10M looking like a subpar investment in the offseason.
    Only if you think that 1 K over 5 innings is a good start.
    Sometimes guys don't pitch well and things work out okay in the runs category. Sure, getting lucky might help you win that day, but over the course of a season, it's not a recipe for success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    We do root for him to do well for the team, right? That's more important to me than being right about the $10M looking like a subpar investment in the offseason.
    Some folks have been and continue to be quite up front and open about their hope for failure for certain people to "prove their point." Others you can find it in nuance and subtext. But there are certainly a fair amount of instances where their honest answer to your question could only be a resounding "No."

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    I watched Correia pitch last night... He only struck out one but he did produce a bunch of charity hop grounders. If anyone got the impression that the Red Sox were hitting darts around the park that just happened to be caught... I would disagree.

    I won't complain about Correia until he actually gives me reason to... That time hasn't come yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashburyjohn View Post
    We discuss innings of spring baseball for others. I'm hardly on record advocating Correia's signing, and I'm not doing handsprings now over this game. But the stony silence when things go well for him ... I dunno, I just felt like pointing it out. We do root for him to do well for the team, right? That's more important to me than being right about the $10M looking like a subpar investment in the offseason.
    I concur; there does seem to be a double standard based on whether we think an acquisition is a good one or not. If good performances are ignored, using the argument it is only ST, than we should be ignoring the bad ones as well. If we want to gripe and moan about a bad ST performance, than we should be just as willing to compliment a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverbrian View Post
    I watched Correia pitch last night... He only struck out one but he did produce a bunch of charity hop grounders. If anyone got the impression that the Red Sox were hitting darts around the park that just happened to be caught... I would disagree.

    I won't complain about Correia until he actually gives me reason to... That time hasn't come yet.
    I agree, I was mildly impressed with his performance last night. Not a lot of good swings by the Sox, IMO. That being said, I like to get my complaining in ahead of time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDog View Post
    Some folks have been and continue to be quite up front and open about their hope for failure for certain people to "prove their point." Others you can find it in nuance and subtext. But there are certainly a fair amount of instances where their honest answer to your question could only be a resounding "No."
    There's another subtext which seems to be saying that no praise for a 5 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 1 K line is equivalent to complaining, but I don't see any Correia complaininig in this thread, only tempered praise for a guy who carried a ~7 ERA into yesterday's start and left with a 5.4. Not to mention, the Twins lost 6-1 and the offense stunk. There just weren't any positives to take out of yesterday's game really, unless you're a Boston fan.

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