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    Excellent view, Nick. Nice work.

    With all the young guys, it'd be hard to not have at least one breakout story at least to the level of Scotty Diamond last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjsyam921 View Post
    Parmelee and Plouffe are definitely going to have to drive in more runs and have better at bats with people on base.
    Let's not get caught up in 1 at-bat, in the first game of the year.

    #samplesizewarning

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Smith View Post
    Totally agree here. I'm down on Plouffe big time and could see a change coming if there's a short string.
    Who will replace them? It's a legitimate question. In a year where the Twins are obviously kicking the can down the road, what point is there to replacing Plouffe and/or Parmelee with another player, excepting Oswaldo Arcia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    Hopefully without punting free agency yet again, with even more money to spend.
    Yeah, it all sounds like a mouthwateringly-good scenario to the average mid-size franchise GM, but why do I feel like Terry Ryan, as the veritable Kid-in-the-Candy-Store, will leave said establishment with only Sourballs and Laffy Taffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Um, most good FAs have already been signed by their teams.....the pickings will be even more slim next year, so don't count on any FA signings that excite you at all. Not to mention that Ryan has never once, even when he has $30MM laying around lining the org's pockest, spent money. I have no idea why anyone thinks it will ever be different.

    I hope fans stay away in droves. I hope no one buys season tickets in 2014. I hope the Twins' ownership gets what they deserve, for taking our money and not even trying to put a good product on the field.

    And, I think ambivalent is worse than angry. At least angry people care.
    Under this scenario, you can start saying "Hello" to articles linked to "anonymous sources" relating talk about the Charlotte/Nashville/San Antonio/Portland Twins

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    Yeah, it all sounds like a mouthwateringly-good scenario to the average mid-size franchise GM, but why do I feel like Terry Ryan, as the veritable Kid-in-the-Candy-Store, will leave said establishment with only Sourballs and Laffy Taffy?
    Seeing as those two are my favorites... I have no choice but to assume that you mean Josh Johnson and Nelson Cruz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay View Post
    Seeing as those two are my favorites... I have no choice but to assume that you mean Josh Johnson and Nelson Cruz.
    Somehow, I think that JJ is going to priced more like Godiva or Pierre Marcolini than Laffy Taffy.

    When you think Laffy Taffy, think Terry Tiffee.

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    Hey, I like Laffy Taffy.

    Terry Tiffee, not so much.

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    If JJ is good, does anyone think he is not re-signed by his current team? if he's hurt and bad, ya, then I can see the Twins signing him. Every team gets $25MM more next year, for free. I'd bet most good players are locked up by their current teams. It is a good time to have guys ready for their first contract extension, or last one.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    When you think Laffy Taffy, think Terry Tiffee.
    I will do NO such thing, good sir! I'd put a bin of Laffy Taffy right up there next to the pouch of Big League Chew and the sunnies. Plus, where do you think they get all their dugout humor from??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    If JJ is good, does anyone think he is not re-signed by his current team?
    I could see it as possible if Toronto doesn't do as well as they are hoping. If they were to go deep in the playoffs, it'd be hard to see them letting him go.

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    For me it's about the starting pitching. If the Twins get some innings out of Harden and Gibson and they have the type of success that they're capable of then this team will be watchable. This current rotation is FAR from watchable. Deduno should be interesting as well.

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    "It won't take a stellar team to reverse the trend of falling attendance. It will simply take a watchable team." If by "watchable" you mean they win more than they lose, I agree. If by "watchable" you mean lose 90+ games, but do it with young players manning many positions, I disagree. Most fans do not spend part of every day thinking about the Twins, checking Twins Daily, and pouring over minor league stats and reports. Most fans are casual fans. They'll follow the Twins--spend time and money--when they're relevant. Most fans don't care about 2016 in 2013. Another season of 90+ losses is going to have an effect on attendance, TV ratings, and everything associated with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Another season of 90+ losses is going to have an effect on attendance, TV ratings, and everything associated with it.
    Exactly...like it did last year. Big % drop in attendance...and we'll see move of that this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
    Exactly...like it did last year. Big % drop in attendance...and we'll see move of that this year
    I can see it already happening. Plenty of walk-up seats available for purchase on opening day. Season ticket sales way down. Media interest cratering is a direct reflection on where the local sports meida producers think the sports consumer interest is at. To wit, today might be the first game at Target Field where the "announced" crowd could be under 30,000 when the season still "matters" (Of course the actual crowd will probably be closer to 20,000).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    I can see it already happening. Plenty of walk-up seats available for purchase on opening day. Season ticket sales way down. Media interest cratering is a direct reflection on where the local sports meida producers think the sports consumer interest is at. To wit, today might be the first game at Target Field where the "announced" crowd could be under 30,000 when the season still "matters" (Of course the actual crowd will probably be closer to 20,000).
    Heck, like 2 days before opening day there were tickets available right behind home plate, like 13 rows back...on the regular Twins MLB site even. I don't think that would have been possible the first two years...maybe last year, but not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Another season of 90+ losses is going to have an effect on attendance, TV ratings, and everything associated with it.
    Yes, and there seems to be a split of opinion whether this would be a good outcome, to punish ownership, or a bad outcome, harmful to the team's long term hopes. A related split was whether there was any value in spending more in 2013 when the only hope would be to improve the team's results closer to .500. It's easy for us armchair GMs to crave one more top-5 draft pick next year, and for fans to take the "teach 'em a lesson" approach to revenue, but I am honestly surprised Terry Ryan as an actual GM wasn't more aggressive in the FA market to reduce the chances of 90 losses.

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    Ryan and St. Peter are convinced this is a competitive team. Their words, not mine. So, I think Ryan thinks he was "aggressive" in FA.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Ryan and St. Peter are convinced this is a competitive team. Their words, not mine. So, I think Ryan thinks he was "aggressive" in FA.
    How do we know they are lying? Their lips are moving...

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    It's the same as any other product being provided. If I go to a nice restaurant and the food and service are bad, I may blow it off as a bad night. If I come back another time or two, and it's the same, I'm not going to keep spending my money on it till I hear things have changed...which will likely result in a turnover of management and personnel.

    The only way to voice our concerns is through our pocketbooks...since money is all the Twins management cares about.

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