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    Article: Glen Perkins and the modern pitcher

    @OverTheBaggy

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    Thank you Parker. Fun to read that we aren't the only ones obsessing about stats.

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    That was a great article. I think that Bannister was kind of the first one to talk about advanced stats and thinking through what he did on the mound. I know that Max Scherzer is another one who acknowledges that he jumps into the stats. I'm really glad that you got some time one-on-one with Perkins and were able to answer these kinds of questions.

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    Nice work, Parker! Fun read.

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    Fantastic article, Parker.

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    Great to see athletes not being immediately dismissive of this. I wonder who most influenced him, in accepting an analytic POV.

    I remember Glenn Gostick going over his hand-typed sheets of stats at the local SABR confab in the '80s. In every generation, there are always at least a few trying to do this. Maybe it's gaining more traction.

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    Nicely written, great interview.

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    Glen Perkins is going to be my new favorite Twin since Denard was traded. Let's see a sub 3 ERA, lots of Ks, and saves!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    Glen Perkins is going to be my new favorite Twin since Denard was traded. Let's see a sub 3 ERA, lots of Ks, and saves!!
    Settle for a win instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourHouseIsMyHouse View Post
    Glen Perkins is going to be my new favorite Twin since Denard was traded. Let's see a sub 3 ERA, lots of Ks, and saves!!
    Sorry to rain on the parade, but if he sustains a pitching-level like today's outing he will be gone by July.

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    I think that the big problem with f/x data and grading umps based on this, is that the plate has depth. Like Perkins said, where umps miss his strikes is when they catch the front part of the plate and the catcher doesn't end up catching the ball behind the plate. I wonder if f/x data really reflects the depth of the plate. I know that the ball/strike stuff that annoucers use doesn't always seem to reflect that. I know that some people here talk about framing pitches, but where the ball is caught doesn't always reflect where the ball was when/or if it crossed the plate.

    I know umpires are being graded on their ball and strike calls. I hope that the data used isn't based on where the ball is caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBombo View Post
    Settle for a win instead?
    I was happy with that

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    This was a fantastic read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim H View Post
    I think that the big problem with f/x data and grading umps based on this, is that the plate has depth. Like Perkins said, where umps miss his strikes is when they catch the front part of the plate and the catcher doesn't end up catching the ball behind the plate. I wonder if f/x data really reflects the depth of the plate. I know that the ball/strike stuff that annoucers use doesn't always seem to reflect that. I know that some people here talk about framing pitches, but where the ball is caught doesn't always reflect where the ball was when/or if it crossed the plate.

    I know umpires are being graded on their ball and strike calls. I hope that the data used isn't based on where the ball is caught.
    Pitch F/x tracks where the ball crosses the plate.
    It's incredibly accurate. Within 1/2", and 1 mph at most ballparks.
    Here is a good link with data measuring it's accuracy at each ballpark. (And this report is almost 2 years old, they are constantly tweaking it for accuracy, so it's safe to assume that it's even more accurate today.)

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=13109
    Last edited by Mr. Brooks; 04-07-2013 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim H View Post
    I think that the big problem with f/x data and grading umps based on this, is that the plate has depth. Like Perkins said, where umps miss his strikes is when they catch the front part of the plate and the catcher doesn't end up catching the ball behind the plate. I wonder if f/x data really reflects the depth of the plate. I know that the ball/strike stuff that annoucers use doesn't always seem to reflect that. I know that some people here talk about framing pitches, but where the ball is caught doesn't always reflect where the ball was when/or if it crossed the plate.

    I know umpires are being graded on their ball and strike calls. I hope that the data used isn't based on where the ball is caught.
    Yes it does. Pitch F/X rules a pitch a strike when the ball crosses any part of the plate in the zone.

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