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    Rosenthal on Foxsports.com says that his sources say that the Dodger's interest is not as fervent as has been portrayed. Maybe price is not as high as has been speculated. Of course an agent would never make it sound like the Dodgers were going to bid 50 million when they are not.

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    Dodgers Unlikely To Pursue Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com

    I wonder if this makes it any more likely that we can sneak in there with a bid.

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    Would hope the Twins would find the money to sign him. We need major league ready starting pitching ASAP.

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    I don't know if we can outbid the redsox/yankees, but I think we have to at least try. Agreed with Beckmt, we need ML ready impact pitching, and he's about as close to it gets... Given his age, this makes much more sense than browing the FA market this offseason. I'd rather give him 50M than a Hughes type guy...

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    If money-dumping Dodgers have lost interest, I wonder if there's some serious redflags (injury/age/peds)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    If money-dumping Dodgers have lost interest, I wonder if there's some serious redflags (injury/age/peds)...
    I have actually wondered what the limits of the Dodger's budget is. They have tried to show that it is limitless but every team (even the Yankees) has a limit. Additionally the Dodgers have a 200M extension with Kershaw on the horizon and they will be maxing out the luxury tax penalties.

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    Ben Badler at BA says that Gonzalez' ceiling is a #3 starter and floor is a long reliever. I don't have a subscription, can anyone give any more details? That isn't a very glowing assesment and typically #3 starters and long relievers don't throw hard or strike many batters out. Or maybe I just shouldn't be comparing him to the Twins #3 starters and long relievers.

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    From Keith Law:

    Haven't seen except a little video. Have talked to several scouts who did, general reports seem to have him as a likely above-average MLB starter, fastball up to 96, plus slider, four pitches, arm works. I can't imagine dealing with the inflation in Cuban free agents, but he's got to be worth $40MM+ in this market.

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    Phillies win the bidding war. 6 yr, $50m with a vesting option. Likely to become the largest contract ever for an international signee.

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    That's a lot, for a supposedly mid-rotation starter. Sometimes the unknown has more value than the known.

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    The total contract is big for a mid-rotation guy, but $8 million per year really isn't.

    I wonder about that #3 starter stuff though. Kind of strange it came out in the week leading up to his signing. Seems to me things like that might get passed around with the intent to drive his price down or chase other teams away. Most guys with 96 mph fastballs have higher upside, particularly guys who throw 96 mph while still shaking two years of rust off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoSABR View Post
    That's a lot, for a supposedly mid-rotation starter. Sometimes the unknown has more value than the known.
    As opposed to what guys like Buehrle, Wilson and Jackson have signed for?

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    He ends up signing for the reduced sum of 3 years at $12 million.

    Blah, blah, blah 29 other clubs also passed on him but he's not worth a gamble for the Twins at say 3 years at $15 million? That's #5 starter/swingman money. Well for most teams.
    Last edited by nicksaviking; 08-30-2013 at 03:11 PM.

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    Injury concerns scared most teams away.

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    $4MM a year is too much to risk on a guy with upside, but signing KC is a good idea?
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    $4MM a year is too much to risk on a guy with upside, but signing KC is a good idea?
    The original deal was 6 years for 50M+. Due to elbow concerns, it was revised to 3 years for 12M by the same team. Anyone see any red flags here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howieramone View Post
    The original deal was 6 years for 50M+. Due to elbow concerns, it was revised to 3 years for 12M by the same team. Anyone see any red flags here?
    Major red flags but people are still going to complain about the front office because that's the hip thing to do now of days. Ben Badler tweeted today that the highest praise he heard from a scout was a #3 pitcher, while several told him they see him as a middle reliever. Add in an apparent major injury concern and no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb0252 View Post
    Major red flags but people are still going to complain about the front office because that's the hip thing to do now of days. Ben Badler tweeted today that the highest praise he heard from a scout was a #3 pitcher, while several told him they see him as a middle reliever. Add in an apparent major injury concern and no thanks.
    You don't think the Twins could use a #3 starter for just 3/12?
    This team gave Nick Blackburn, at best a #5 starter, 4/14.
    This team gave Kevin Correia, at best a #5 starter, 2/10.

    I can see why most teams would shy away from him. Most teams already have a #3 pitcher.
    But for a team as devoid of starting pitching as the Twins, a team with nothing but #5/AAAA pitchers, a team literally drowning in payroll flexibility, I just don't see that much risk.
    4 million per, and 12 million total really isnt that much to swallow if it doesn't work out.

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    Is it correct to assume that he would sign with the Twins for the same contract?

    In Gonzalez' case, he also wants to set himself up for his next contract. I really don't think the a Twins are an ideal place for that to happen. They have had little success developing pitchers. For the last two years, Target Field has been 10th in park factor leaning towards a hitter's park. Citizen's Bank has been 19th and 5th. The Twins have several players who are among the poorest defensively at their positions. The Twins play in the AL.

    If the offers had been comparable, I would think an agent would advise going to the Phillies.

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