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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsmerf View Post
    Not a chance Pedro is on the 40 man in 2 years.
    I don't want Hernandez, but Escobar might have a chance. How much would you bet on Liriano being an average or better ML starter in 2 years? If I could figure that guy out I'd have a job in a front office some place. I do wish him the best, and just hope he doesn't walk off the mound holding his elbow again.

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    I'm a little tired of hearing all the excuses given to defend the Twins on this issue. Liriano's performance is a major indictment on the Twins staff.

    No matter whose "fault" it is, clearly the Pirates have found a way to get the most out of Liriano, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    I'm a little tired of hearing all the excuses given to defend the Twins on this issue. Liriano's performance is a major indictment on the Twins staff.

    No matter whose "fault" it is, clearly the Pirates have found a way to get the most out of Liriano, period.
    They have a recent track record of reigniting former top-end talent to previous levels or higher. They definitely are the team you want to go to to get a fresh start!

    Reusse today said it could have come down to the Twins pitching coach convincing Liriano into throwing too many fastballs up in the zone. Charts confirm that the Pittsburgh staff revamped Liriano's approach. He's throwing the FBs less and sliders and change-ups more, and the quality of Liriano's FB are greatly improved over the last 2 years.

    No way to spin this, another pitching debacle, more the Twins fault, than Liriano's.

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    Maybe this is the objective example that ends the Anderson era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Brooks View Post
    I'm a little tired of hearing all the excuses given to defend the Twins on this issue. Liriano's performance is a major indictment on the Twins staff.

    No matter whose "fault" it is, clearly the Pirates have found a way to get the most out of Liriano, period.
    I guess we all have things we're tired of, like constantly bashing people instead of being realistic. Liriano's been this good twice before, both times with the Twins. What are the odds he sustains the success the third time? For his sake, I truly hope he does. I'm just saying I wouldn't bet anything I couldn't afford to lose, given his history.

    Why does anything that doesn't criticize management seem to automatically get branded as supporting management? Oh, I forgot, this is the internet where everything has to be polarized. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpitefulRabbit617 View Post
    ***Insert Former Twins Pitcher**** moved to NL and is in the running for the Cy Young. Gets Traded to an AL team and new team wonders what happened to their Cy Young award winner. THE DH/no #9pitcher DID, and thats a fact.
    Yes, Liriano has a 2.53 ERA because he doesn't have to face the DH.

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    Liriano against lefties this year: .137/.188/.158
    Insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyTwinsFan View Post
    Liriano against lefties this year: .137/.188/.158
    Insane.
    That's ****ing ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyTwinsFan View Post
    Liriano against lefties this year: .137/.188/.158
    Insane.
    That is sick.
    Just to put that in perspective, Drew Butera career line: .182/.230/.263

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    Hurdle was on the the Jim Rome show (guest host) a few weeks ago and said that absolutely that they thought Liriano was capable of being really good and was on the top of their list in the off-season of project pitchers. paraphrasing but that was the gist of it.

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    Still sticks in my craw that an organization so short of pitching talent let an arm like Liriano's leave the organization at all, much less for the kind of players that are available for free every winter.

    He shouldn't be pitching for another organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    Still sticks in my craw that an organization so short of pitching talent let an arm like Liriano's leave the organization at all, much less for the kind of players that are available for free every winter.

    He shouldn't be pitching for another organization.
    To be fair, it has been reported that Liriano turned down a (likely) low-ball Twins offer during the FA open season. It was pretty clear that the ties had been cut between the 2 parties well before then. Liriano has obviously made a great career decision.

    And you and many others were scratching heads at the time a year ago when the "trade" (dump) was contemplated and ultimately consummated. The only overbearing front office concern a year or so ago was achieving their stated goal of cutting the payroll in 2013 and then again in 2014. So there's that to look forward to again in the offseason.
    Last edited by jokin; 08-20-2013 at 09:14 PM.

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    Not indicative of his season so far, but Liriano with another clinker out west. 4 innings, 9 hits, 4 runs and 100 pitches.

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    Was reading Fangraphs today and saw this line in an article, "Liriano held left-handed hitters to a .130/.175/.146 line". That's sort of ridiculous.
    Last edited by iastfan112; 09-26-2013 at 08:56 PM.

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