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    LOVE the attitude and moxie. Bring it with you every game, Stephen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoPilgrim View Post
    All of which means nothing if it doesn't translate into major league success. Not the first time a high draft pick and hot prospect didn't pan out. Great college pitcher, good minor league career. Not quite good enough for the Show. Happens all the time.
    That misses the point of my response, which countered the claim that Slowey had a lack of talent. And misses the greater point that the Twins FO has mishandled players in the recent past who appear to display "attitude."

    And..... actually he was more than good enough. He had a great rookie season and was a very effective P-T-C #5 SP for the next 2 years, until assorted injuries, a strange ST demotion in favor of Blackburn and other "philosophical disagreements" (why....he actually reads and quotes from classical books!) with the coaching staff (leading to the club engaging in a character-assassination-whisper campaign that continues to the present day) led to his falling out with the Twins.
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    I hope nobody tells Gonsalves that the Twins passed on him three times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    Yeah, he's had a minor leg injury. I'd rather see Hicks playing over Thomas, but the key is to get Hicks some at bats out of the spotlight. His development is way more important than a couple of plays this year.

    Thomas has hit better than Hicks, and he's shown that he can cover some ground in CF. He's not Hicks defensively, but he's solid.

    Only thing I care about is doing what's best for Hicks long-term development.
    There's essentially nothing different between Hicks and Thomas this year. Neither should be in the big leagues. I'm amazed that it seems to be unrecognized that Thomas sucks incredibly.

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    Hopefully Albers can keep it going. Obviously he will eventually give up a run, but hopefully he can continue to pitch well. It will be interesting to see how he fares playing a team a second time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinstalker View Post
    There's essentially nothing different between Hicks and Thomas this year. Neither should be in the big leagues. I'm amazed that it seems to be unrecognized that Thomas sucks incredibly.
    The reason it seems "unrecognized" is that it simply isn't true. Thomas certainly doesn't deserve to be a starting CF and that the Twins should, and will, eventually make an upgrade, but that doesn't mean that he Clete no value. His OBP/SLG/OPS batting slash isn't all that far below the median numbers for a MLB CF. And in just 219 PA, his combined WAR in the field and at the plate is much better than replacement level at 0.5. I would think "incredible suckage" would mean he would require a negative WAR number, not a positive one.

    And Hicks is an inaccurate and invalid comparison to Thomas. His career, flashes of excellence and talented tool set suggests he still has significant upside. Thomas is a finished product, a slightly above-replacement-level 4th/5th OFer. Hicks still can become an annual 3.0 WAR CFer.
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    Seth and Jeremy:

    This may be the wrong thread to post this--but in checking MILB.com for Stephen Gonsalves update--noticed the Kernels put Berrios on the DL--is this a serious injury or just a rest to control innings--like they did to Brett Lee??

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    I can't imagine anyone in the Twins front office being upset about a guy wanting to prove a lot of people wrong... That's way different than showing people up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAM DC Twins Fans View Post
    Seth and Jeremy:

    This may be the wrong thread to post this--but in checking MILB.com for Stephen Gonsalves update--noticed the Kernels put Berrios on the DL--is this a serious injury or just a rest to control innings--like they did to Brett Lee??
    Looking into it, but my assumption is that it's just a way to keep innings down. They do that all the time. They did it with Brett Lee a week or so ago. They've moved Melotakis to the bullpen a couple of times. Earlier in the year, Tomshaw was placed on the DL for 10 days. This is normal.

    Don't get me wrong, if it's an injury, then they will completely shut him down, but I don't see any reason to think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjim View Post
    I always thought Slowey's main problem was a lack of talent.
    Slowey has been doing fairly well with the lowly Marlins this season. I think he has more talent than you thought.

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    Slowey is out for the year with an injury... but he was pitching well. In my opinion, he was a solid #3/4 type of starter until that line drive off the wrist. I think he had some screws put in there or a plate, and it really seemed as thought he struggled after that to get the break on his curveball and his pitches weren't moving as much.

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    Stephen Gonsalves does appear to have some competitive fire, but I hope he realizes that bragging about your pitching prowess looks a little silly before you've even made it to low A ball....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo92107 View Post
    Stephen Gonsalves does appear to have some competitive fire, but I hope he realizes that bragging about your pitching prowess looks a little silly before you've even made it to low A ball....
    I think we can cut Gonsalves him some slack here. The Twitter world is filled with lots of much worse and ignorant commentary from many- and even adults who you think would know better are retracting stupid stuff all the time- and they're much older than a young kid 2 months away from graduating out of high school.

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    i saw Gonsalves pitch in high school. This kid is the real deal. Twins got a steal

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    I don't understand how anyone can think this is a bad thing. I love the fact Gonsalves has a chip on his shoulder. His tweet wasn't disrespectful to any of the opposing players. Go get um!

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    A chip on his shoulders and a large set of... Oh, never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    I think we can cut Gonsalves him some slack here. The Twitter world is filled with lots of much worse and ignorant commentary from many- and even adults who you think would know better are retracting stupid stuff all the time- and they're much older than a young kid 2 months away from graduating out of high school.
    True, at least he didn't post a selfie of his shameful parts.

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