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    How is no one mentioning the fact that sometimes playing through injuries (and playing at 80%) is sometimes DETRIMENTAL to the team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    Also for people pining for the old twins ways, how many series in the playoffs did the hunter lead teams win? Just one? I thought it was World Series or bust?
    He has, however, won infinite amount more postseason games than Mauer has.

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    This thread is going to go from bad to way worse in a hurry . . .

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    How is no one mentioning the fact that sometimes playing through injuries (and playing at 80%) is sometimes DETRIMENTAL to the team?
    Not that this is the same thing, but I knew a Baltimore fan feel the team would have been better served had Cal Ripken sacrificed his streak and sat out some games, because by the end of the season he was not playing as well as he would have had he been a bit more fresh, and was not at his most effective during the end of the season play-off hunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notoriousgod71 View Post
    He has, however, won infinite amount more postseason games than Mauer has.
    Yes, Torii Hunter himself won more playoff games than Mauer did by himself...baseball has become tennis...

    Punto must be better than either of them, and tougher too...HE won a World Series all by himself...
    Just remember: You put the lime IN the coconut. Only THEN, can you drink it all up.

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    Who said "when Hunter talks about Hunter, he is speaking about his favorite subject"? Whomever, he/she is wise person!

    Concussions are not the same as Hunters thesore toe.

    Those who have Mauer penciled as a Twins first baseman, are thinking too far ahead. Think Mourneau or others and the long-term effects of concussions.

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    I understand why even if he's okay to return. There is a part of me that would have liked to seen at least a pinch hit appearance, just to ease any questions about his long term recovery and readiness for Spring Training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    I'll remember Hunter. One of my favorite Twins of all time.

    That is, if I'm alive in 15 yrs.
    Couldn't agree more--Torii is one of my all-time favorites. I also agree with the post about Cal JR--I firmly believe that Cal's iron man streak cost the Os in the postseason.

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    Mauer is the team leader and he not a vocal leader, he leads by example. And his example has been, he recovers very slowly from injuries. As the Twins tank another September, 80% of Mauer is better than Parmelee or Colabello. Next year if our C & first options are Mauer, Pinto, Parmelee and Colabello - we better see Pinto behind the plate and Mauer at first base. But it seem to be if Joe want to catch, we'll let him catch. If Gardy want to come back and manage, we'll let him. I'm finding a hard time see where the organization has any desire to win in the dugout or the front office.

    But lose more games, we'll get a higher draft pick. Just as long as they don't get too excited about hitting a game winner home run - we'll sit him for the next 4 games, not the Twins Way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    Mauer is the team leader and he not a vocal leader, he leads by example. And his example has been, he recovers very slowly from injuries. As the Twins tank another September, 80% of Mauer is better than Parmelee or Colabello. Next year if our C & first options are Mauer, Pinto, Parmelee and Colabello - we better see Pinto behind the plate and Mauer at first base. But it seem to be if Joe want to catch, we'll let him catch. If Gardy want to come back and manage, we'll let him. I'm finding a hard time see where the organization has any desire to win in the dugout or the front office.

    But lose more games, we'll get a higher draft pick. Just as long as they don't get too excited about hitting a game winner home run - we'll sit him for the next 4 games, not the Twins Way.
    I sense several frustrations in this Twins Way sentiment. Let me address, I think, 2 separate points you raise....

    1. Mauer is a slow recoverer and 80% of Mauer is better than.... This isn't a strained hammy. Concussions are different, and we don't need to look very long into the past to see why. Remember when Span came back too early from his concussion and went something like 1 for 32? Either you can see and hit a 90+ mph ball or you can't.

    I'll also add that Mauer's injuries seem to have been a pretty big deal, thus the slow recovery. If anything, my perception is that he pushes himself too hard to come back early or catch too many games.

    2. This adds to the evidence that nobody seems to care about winning - I agree with some of the concerns here about Gardy giving his players too much say, and I think you could extend it to Terry Ryan's frugal ways despite ownerships higher budget. But sitting Mauer is just common sense, not apathy. (And the thought that this team is compliant because they want a higher draft pick is a little too cynical for my liking.)

    Finally, I'll add - I think a Hunter versus Mauer thread would be a great idea is a member wants to start one. This doesn't necessarily seem the place for it.
    Last edited by John Bonnes; 09-24-2013 at 07:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snepp View Post
    I was at that game

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    A concussion is a little different -- you come back and it is only 80% healed and you get hit on the head, you are really messed up. Wasn't that part of why Koski took years to recover (if he is even fully recovered now)?

    I doubt Mauer is using the concussion as a fake excuse to stay home. He is aware of the criticism of not playing games, and would be playing if he could simply to counter that talk. Plus, I am guessing he is a lot more competitive than his critics suggest. He knows he was in contention for a silver slugger -- possibly golden glove etc. He would be playing if he could.

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    There have now been multiple posts in this thread deleted for trolling, personal insults, and just plain bad form.

    Please stop. Make your points about the subject matter, not about other people.
    Every post is not every other post. - a wise man

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    I don't follow the rest of MLB that closely, so somebody please answer me this: is there any other team who has lost so many key players for extended periods of time to post-concussion syndrome? We've now seen Morneau, Span, and Mauer miss significant time the past few years. Are we cursed? Take that back...we know we're cursed. But are other teams also struggling to deal with this somewhat new phenomenon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
    There have now been multiple posts in this thread deleted for trolling, personal insults, and just plain bad form.

    Please stop. Make your points about the subject matter, not about other people.
    Why was my second post deleted? I said that Hunter often says questionable things?

    It wasn't a personal attack, you can't just choose to delete a post because I think that "one of your favorite Twins of all time" can often say eve rolling inducing things that nobody takes seriously.
    Last edited by SpiritofVodkaDave; 09-24-2013 at 09:57 AM.

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    Among other things it mentions questioning anybody's intelligence as off-limits.
    Last edited by ashburyjohn; 09-24-2013 at 11:33 AM.

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    Sensitivity to light, noise remain for Mauer | Star Tribune

    My favorite thing about that video is this exchange:

    Reporter: Joe, what are your symptoms?
    Mauer: Um, sensitivity to light...
    (As reporters shine a GIGANTIC HEAT LAMP directly in his face)

    I don't understand why anyone in the media or fanbase legitimately thought Mauer was playing again this year, or why you'd want him to. The team has shut him down in other years (such as the end of 2007, or intermittently in 2011) over situations far less career-threatening than this.

    Mauer was good this year, and I think most educated fans have come around on the type of player he is and his importance to the fans and franchise. But his future as a catcher is seriously in doubt, and we just have to hope that he heals from his bruised brain (because that's what it is) in time for next spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    "I think some people take pain in different ways," Twins center fielder Torii Hunter said. "Some people have to play at 100 percent, and Joe may be one of those guys. I've seen it happen. Joe is a good player, and he wants to perform at 100 percent, not at 80 percent.
    "Me, I grew up in a different time. I'm ready to play no matter what -- broken toe, hamstring, groin, back -- and that's the mentality I've grown to have."
    June 2007

    Kind of miss the old "Twins Way"
    What a crappy thing for Torii Hunter to say. What a crappy attitude towards a serious brain injury.

    Ever had a serious concussion? Try it, then get back to us how it's just a little owie.

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    Jimbo, the Hunter quote is from 2007. I think that was about a knee injury. It doesn't make it that much better, just less ridiculous.

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