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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    John has been tied up with other projects for the past month. He didn't have much time to dedicate to this year's handbook.
    Well we'll just have to pressure him to provide a blueprint. The other three should provide enough fodder for discussion. Let's just ship Eddie Rosario off . . . .

    Anyway, am I the only one who has read this damn thing?

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    By the way, it's early this year. It was always after the WS was over before.

    I mean the WS is over, essentially, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    Anyway, am I the only one who has read this damn thing?
    I haven't.

    No, really, I haven't... Read about half of it while I was designing the book but haven't had a chance to sit down and read it in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    I mean the WS is over, essentially, anyway.
    The Yankees won the WS in 2009 after losing game 1 by a 6-1 score. But this year the Cards lost 8-1. There's no coming back from something like that.

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    I read it and found it thoroughly enjoyable to the point of starting a thread with my own blue print. I would love to see other blue prints as the ones I read I felt were weak (just my opinion but I think more can be done)

    I hope eventually John gives us a blue print as well.

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    Okay ... late to the party as usual ... just ordered and downloaded it ... didn't order it last year ... wow! Will enjoy reading this when work lets up! Tomorrow.

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    I read it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Thought it was funny you listed the agent for the top tier Free Agents (don't remember that from last year)--but I imagine that means a lot to some people.

    Definitely enjoyed Seth's breakdown of potential 40 Man roster additions (especially know it's the reason I'm posting this on Page 8 of the Comments section).

    Very surprised Seth's blueprint included trading Eddie Rosario for Homer Bailey. Bailey's a great pitcher, don't get me wrong, but is one year of him (in 2014, no less) worth Rosario? I know you required negotiating an extension, but I guess my reaction is, why not just wait until next offseason to target him as a FA? He'll probably cost you similar dollars as the extension would, and you don't have to sacrifice a prospect.

    I've put together my own blueprint I'll likely share at some point--don't know what the best venue for that is.

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    Yeah I am going to work on a blueprint too. I want nothing to do with trading any legit top prospect this year. No way. I am really not interested in trading for a pitcher with one or more such prospect instead of just buying the same quality pitcher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wookiee of the Year View Post
    Very surprised Seth's blueprint included trading Eddie Rosario for Homer Bailey. Bailey's a great pitcher, don't get me wrong, but is one year of him (in 2014, no less) worth Rosario? I know you required negotiating an extension, but I guess my reaction is, why not just wait until next offseason to target him as a FA? He'll probably cost you similar dollars as the extension would, and you don't have to sacrifice a prospect.

    I've put together my own blueprint I'll likely share at some point--don't know what the best venue for that is.
    I would absolutely not trade Rosario for one year of Bailey, or anyone. Hence the extension. You make a good point, but I think once he would become a free agent, he could get more years and dollars because he's so young for a free agent. If there's no extension, there'd be no deal, for sure.

    I don't mind trading a Rosario type prospect for an ace. I'd love a second half rotation of Bailey, Gibson, Meyer, etc., etc. It'd be encouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    I don't mind trading a Rosario type prospect for an ace. I'd love a second half rotation of Bailey, Gibson, Meyer, etc., etc. It'd be encouraging.
    Yeah, but I think that this means that Dozier will be a better second baseman than Rosario. And I am not convinced of that yet, since I remember the year that Christian Guzman had in 2001. I'd rather trade Dozier high, if I had to...

    On the other hand, there are several prospects (like Kepler and Harrison and a bunch of RPs ) who would be good trade bait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Yeah, but I think that this means that Dozier will be a better second baseman than Rosario. And I am not convinced of that yet, since I remember the year that Christian Guzman had in 2001. I'd rather trade Dozier high, if I had to...

    On the other hand, there are several prospects (like Kepler and Harrison and a bunch of RPs ) who would be good trade bait.
    You're not going to get a Homer Bailey type for Dozier (or Kepler, Harrison, RPs). Trading Rosario is a "to-get-something-you-have-to-give-up-something." It's not at all saying Dozier will be better than Rosario will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seth Stohs View Post
    You're not going to get a Homer Bailey type for Dozier (or Kepler, Harrison, RPs). Trading Rosario is a "to-get-something-you-have-to-give-up-something." It's not at all saying Dozier will be better than Rosario will be.
    I was talking preference of trading Dozier before Rosario. And I suspect that Rosario will not be enough for Bailey as well...
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    I like Homer Bailey and I am for exploring some sort of trade scenario, but I am not interested in trading that level of prospect for a pitcher who isn't a markedly better pitcher than several on the damn free agent market who can just be signed.

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    You won't take my money. Paypal won't let me use a lebanon based credit card..... can't I pay without Paypal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Wahl View Post
    I like Homer Bailey and I am for exploring some sort of trade scenario, but I am not interested in trading that level of prospect for a pitcher who isn't a markedly better pitcher than several on the damn free agent market who can just be signed.
    See, that's part of the issue, though--while I wouldn't want to trade Rosario for a year of Bailey + an extension, a team in Win Now Mode that needs pitching might be willing to. My guess is the Reds wouldn't accept much less than a Rosario-level prospect.

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