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10-05-2013, 10:32 PM #42
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In terms of Christianity and Obamacare I would say that a majority of the religions are Christian in name only. Paul, Martin Luther, John Calvin et al founded religions based on what they believed Christianity to be.
Mike wants wins might better know where the money goes but there is a large percentage that goes into events that happen because of nothing the person did wrong. Many cancers, juvenile diabetes, any disease associated with genetics, influenza, etc. Some thing we didn't have a clue about and caused harm to people, cigarettes to the WWII fighters for example. Preventative medicine is a good thing. As a society I have no problem us paying for it. We pay for a lot of bad stuff that never happened to us. We pay for a lot of things to prevent bad things from happening to others. I will probably never visit Acadia National Park. I pay a miniscule amount to that and other places I will never see. That should be part of society. Healthcare should be no different.
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10-06-2013, 03:06 AM #44
"Individuals with annual incomes higher than $200,000 and couples who make more than $250,000 a year will face two new taxes — a 0.9-percent increase in the 1.45-percent Medicare levy on earnings above those income thresholds and a new 3.8-percent tax on investment income. Together, these two taxes are expected to raise about $318 billion over the next decade — roughly half of the law’s new tax revenue."
As a capitalist and small business owner, I am happy to pay these taxes. It makes me feel good to contribute to helping people who would otherwise be uninsured. The idea of saving people who have curable diseases appeals to me.
I agree that there are serious issues relating to student loans. I believe that inflation will eventually make such loans easier to repay. I also believe that we need to rethink our economy to deal with the fact that there are going to be millions less jobs as time passes, due to automation. The good news is that robots and computer programs will be doing more and more as time passes. The bad news is that millions more jobs will be going away. For the sake of younger people, I think that we need to work hard to make sure there will be jobs that allow them to prosper, but I don't think that this is a good reason for them to not participate in the ACA.
Does anyone know if student loan payments count in computing the subsidies under the ACA?
10-06-2013, 03:23 AM #45
As for giving courtesy to the Tea Party, this works both ways. A majority of Americans voted for Obama and for Democratic candidates for both the Senate and the House. Due to gerrymandering, the Republicans retained the House, which does not seem very democratic to me -- more like a perversion of democracy.
10-06-2013, 05:21 AM #46
Secondly, inflation isn't going to change the loan problem. The loan problem was caused by the implementation of the program itself and the ludicrous notion of having virtually no accountability for colleges in keeping rates down. The program is nothing more than a slush fund for universities that has actually made the affordability of college LESS than what it was. I personally believe that impact has been a huge factor on a number of industries that are used to having more spending power available to 22-35 year olds.
10-06-2013, 05:24 AM #47
Also Glunn, you should note the phrasing of your link: "tax" revenues. The fees and issues I'm talking about aren't technically taxes. TheDems worked very hard to muddy those waters to sell this.
So I'm sure there is a sizable chunk of the official taxes coming from the rich, it's the other penalties no one wants to call taxes that concerns me.
10-06-2013, 09:53 AM #48
Did I just read the word "appeasement" and talk about how opening up a conversation with the Iranians is a bad thing?
I just got baited.
10-06-2013, 09:56 AM #49
A general point: I have a hard time believing that Jesus would endorse capitalist economics. Now, maybe to his detriment (I would say because capitalism was necessary to generate massive wealth), but nonetheless.
So a healthcare system that does quite little about the for-profit nature of the enterprise seems inadequate.
10-06-2013, 10:07 AM #50
This law passed Congress. It was upheld by the Supreme Court. The people of this country re-elected Obama despite the GOP platform of "stop Obamacare".
As Shane said, respect the process. The minority GOP doesn't get to hijack the government just because they don't like something (and I don't even like Obamacare much).
10-06-2013, 10:18 AM #51
10-06-2013, 10:22 AM #52
To be fair, both parties have played a significant role in getting to this point. But the Republicans around about 95% to blame for this particular situation.
10-06-2013, 10:40 AM #53
The GOP tried and failed to overturn this bill 51 times, for crying out loud.
I don't like Obama at this point (his drone strikes and hawkish nature re: privacy and security have completely turned me against him) but let's call a spade a spade here. The GOP is completely out of line right now and we'll all be better off if the American public tells them as much next election. This country badly needs to get back to the point where the GOP moderates are allowed to influence the party and not be cast to the side in favor of the fringe lunatics.
10-06-2013, 04:29 PM #54
Likewise, the call here says nothing of forcing everyone to make sacrifices. As a believer, I give a large portion of my income to various Christian charities, so much so that it hurts, which I do in large part because of the passages above. This does not obligate you to do the same, nor does it obligate me to support the government's attempt at doing this.
I get the need for social justice, and I will not argue if you were to state that the church has been lacking in this area for some time, but to conclude that because Jesus says we should give means that we should support a deeply flawed program that does nothing to address the actual causes of this mess (and greed plays a real big one here as the health system has been engineered in such a way to allow for several groups of people to create and take advantage of cash cows) is beyond silly.
Costs have spiraled out of control, and no one is looking into why it is that this is the case. There was a day, not all that long ago, where people paid for a doctor just as they paid for a plumber. You didn't have a 3rd party payer, and if you couldn't pay, you typically worked something out with the doctor. Medicine wasn't all that expensive. Something has changed. Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry personally, and having family members involved in various parts of the medical industry, I can tell you for certain that this is a system that is in desperate need of reform from the inside out. There are large groups of people benefiting from it in ways that make them very rich and have done so on the backs of everyone else. They can do that because they've created conflicts of interest, barriers to entry, unnecessary regulation, etc. in order to increase their profits... and they've been able to act unchecked.
10-06-2013, 04:30 PM #55
I'll take it a step further, I should not be asking you to pay my medical bills at all. I know it sounds uncaring, cold, or even inhumane, but healthcare is not a right. The rich have always been able to get better healthcare than the poor, and if I cannot afford to pay for the options on the table, then I need to look into less expensive options.
Likewise, there's no competition. Because of this, providers can charge what they want for their services. They don't have to publish their rates, so the same procedure can cost a vastly different amount of money from one provider to the next. A few years back, when I was my own employer, I had only a major medical plan with an HSA. My son had a sore throat and was going to need a throat culture. I called a provider to find out what they charged for the procedure. They refused to tell me (even though I was going to pay cash for it)... Refused. I was told that the rate "depends". In most other industries, this practice would be blatantly illegal and borderline fraudulent.
There's large barriers to entry all over medicine as well, and these are also created to keep the supply of doctors low so as to increase the price. It also keeps the cost of pharmaceuticals high as well, not to mention the conflicts of interest that exist there too.
10-06-2013, 04:37 PM #56
As for your second premise, Jesus went out of his way to avoid political issues. His enemies tried on more than one occasion to trap him there. His only advice on politics was to pay Caesar what is Caesar's and to pay God what is God's.
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