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    I'd be up for Ubaldo also.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    One thing that many posters seem to be forgetting or missing is that the Twins don't have the luxury of saying, "I'm not going over 'x' years or 'x' dollars" and still hope to sign a one of the better FA pitchers. If the Twins really like Ubaldo and they feel that his worth (which is known to be very conserative) is 3 years and $36 million, they may need to go up to 4yrs and $50 to get him to come to MN. That can be said for many of these guys. IMO, the Twins best bets are to get in one guy like this (prefer Jimenez or Hughes as they have limited injury history) and then possibly two guys like Johnson ($6-7M) and Haren ($8-9M) on one year deals. The Twins won't completely handcuff themselves with more than one long-term overpay, if there's one at all.

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    Yeah, there is really no chance the Twins sign someone like Lincecum. A signing like that would look despereate (and TR has never acted out of desperation), and also set a franchise record for most $$ given to an outside free-agent. Twin Lincecum will not happen, sadly.

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    I'd love to see a breakdown of the largest F.A. contract ever handed out by each team in MLB.

    Twins have to be last, right?

    Oakland?
    Houston must have had a big one before the rebuild
    Off the top of my head I can't think of a big one in Cinci (unless you count Chapman, but then you'd have to count Cespedes in Oakland)
    Milwaukee has had some splashes, but really only in the trade market
    San Diego?

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    A very quick look here: ( 2012 MLB Baseball Free Agent Tracker - Major League Baseball - ESPN ) and I didn't find one above $21M for Oakland or San Diego. The list goes back to 2006

    Cinci would be tied at $21M (Jonathan Broxton) if you don't count Chapman (which this list did)

    I did find some forgettable signings from Milwaukee though

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    Team Years Dollars Player
    Angels 10 250,000,000 Albert Pujols
    Astros 6 100,000,000 Carlos Lee
    Athletics 2 10,500,000 Brian Fuentes
    Blue Jays 2 18,120,000 Frank Thomas
    Braves 5 75,250,000 B.J. Upton
    Brewers 4 42,000,000 Jeff Suppan
    Cardinals 2 26,000,000 Carlos Beltran
    Cubs 8 136,000,000 Alfonso Soriano
    Diamondbacks 3 26,000,000 Cody Ross
    Dodgers 6 147,000,000 Zack Greinke
    Giants 7 126,000,000 Barry Zito
    Indians 4 56,000,000 Nick Swisher
    Mariners 4 48,000,000 Carlos Silva
    Marlins 6 106,000,000 Jose Reyes
    Mets 4 66,000,000 Jason Bay
    Nationals 7 126,000,000 Jayson Werth
    Orioles 3 20,000,000 Aubrey Huff
    Padres 2 11,500,000 Orlando Hudson
    Phillies 5 120,000,000 Cliff Lee
    Pirates 2 17,000,000 Russell Martin
    Rangers 6 96,000,000 Adrian Beltre
    Rays 2 16,000,000 Pat Burrell
    Red Sox 7 142,000,000 Carl Crawford
    Reds 4 46,000,000 Francisco Cordero
    Rockies 3 31,500,000 Michael Cuddyer
    Royals 5 55,000,000 Gil Meche
    Tigers 9 214,000,000 Prince Fielder
    Twins 3 21,000,000 Josh Willingham
    White Sox 4 56,000,000 Adam Dunn
    Yankees 8 180,000,000 Mark Teixeira


    Worth noting:

    There are 6 teams with a lower "Highest paid free agent signing" than the Twins (A's, Blue Jays, Orioles, Padres, Pirates, Rays)

    Of those 6 teams, they all have a higher "per year highest paid FA" than the Twins (Willingham @ $7M per year), except for the Orioles (those contracts are not necessarily shown on this list)

    This is only since 2006

    Teams spent a lot of money in 2006 compared to the years that followed.

    There were 33 contracts handed out in 2006 that exceeded $10,000,000. That is more than any year since (33,12,14,18,20,21,24)

    Was there a new TV contract in 2006?

    I've completely strayed off topic here, but it's interesting to me. Hopefully it's interesting to at least one other person.

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    Answer to the 2006 TV contract question: Yes. A new lucrative contract was signed that year ( Fox, TBS have seven-year, $3 billion TV deal with MLB - MLB - ESPN )

    Someone warn Terry Ryan

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    Thanks for the research, amjgt
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    Lincecum re-ups with the Gigantes--2 years, $35M!!??

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    yes, Lincecum off the market and signed for "reasonable" 17.5 million per year. He made 22 mill this year

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    and that concludes this thread

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    He gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjgt View Post
    Team Years Dollars Player
    Angels 10 250,000,000 Albert Pujols
    Astros 6 100,000,000 Carlos Lee
    Athletics 2 10,500,000 Brian Fuentes
    Blue Jays 2 18,120,000 Frank Thomas
    Braves 5 75,250,000 B.J. Upton
    Brewers 4 42,000,000 Jeff Suppan
    Cardinals 2 26,000,000 Carlos Beltran
    Cubs 8 136,000,000 Alfonso Soriano
    Diamondbacks 3 26,000,000 Cody Ross
    Dodgers 6 147,000,000 Zack Greinke
    Giants 7 126,000,000 Barry Zito
    Indians 4 56,000,000 Nick Swisher
    Mariners 4 48,000,000 Carlos Silva
    Marlins 6 106,000,000 Jose Reyes
    Mets 4 66,000,000 Jason Bay
    Nationals 7 126,000,000 Jayson Werth
    Orioles 3 20,000,000 Aubrey Huff
    Padres 2 11,500,000 Orlando Hudson
    Phillies 5 120,000,000 Cliff Lee
    Pirates 2 17,000,000 Russell Martin
    Rangers 6 96,000,000 Adrian Beltre
    Rays 2 16,000,000 Pat Burrell
    Red Sox 7 142,000,000 Carl Crawford
    Reds 4 46,000,000 Francisco Cordero
    Rockies 3 31,500,000 Michael Cuddyer
    Royals 5 55,000,000 Gil Meche
    Tigers 9 214,000,000 Prince Fielder
    Twins 3 21,000,000 Josh Willingham
    White Sox 4 56,000,000 Adam Dunn
    Yankees 8 180,000,000 Mark Teixeira


    Worth noting:

    There are 6 teams with a lower "Highest paid free agent signing" than the Twins (A's, Blue Jays, Orioles, Padres, Pirates, Rays)

    Of those 6 teams, they all have a higher "per year highest paid FA" than the Twins (Willingham @ $7M per year), except for the Orioles (those contracts are not necessarily shown on this list)

    This is only since 2006

    Teams spent a lot of money in 2006 compared to the years that followed.

    There were 33 contracts handed out in 2006 that exceeded $10,000,000. That is more than any year since (33,12,14,18,20,21,24)

    Was there a new TV contract in 2006?

    I've completely strayed off topic here, but it's interesting to me. Hopefully it's interesting to at least one other person.
    Ben Sheets had a 1yr $10M deal with the Athletics. Never even played. There's others. But that's only $10m total...so if total.

    I guess, I'd have to say "free agent" would have to be players not previously on your team as Morneau and Mauer would kill that statistic and put us in the top 5-8 teams in terms of contracts per year value. Which, I believe is worth noting.

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    Holy cow, that is a lot of money for a guy that has not been good lately. Holy cow.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Lincecum is not worth $17.5M a year and Hunter Pence is not worth $18M a year.

    SF market dictates prices (devalues money) at over 2x what it does to MSP.

    I'd rather be a 'farm team' than teams that sign players that age and duration for contract anyway. What's exciting about Lincecum and Pence coming back and their best season behind them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjgt View Post
    A very quick look here: ( 2012 MLB Baseball Free Agent Tracker - Major League Baseball - ESPN ) and I didn't find one above $21M for Oakland or San Diego. The list goes back to 2006

    Cinci would be tied at $21M (Jonathan Broxton) if you don't count Chapman (which this list did)

    I did find some forgettable signings from Milwaukee though
    Must not include international free agents then.....since Cespedes signed for $33MM
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Pence...

    Giants overcommit to Hunter Pence | HardballTalk


    Why the San Francisco Giants overpaid for Hunter Pence - MLB - ESPN

    Is Hunter Pence Worth Huge $90 Million Contract from S.F. Giants? | Bleacher Report

    Retarded.

    Lincecum...

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lincecum clearly got the hometown gouge-count.</p>&mdash; Ray Ratto (@RattoCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RattoCSN/statuses/392775745799323649">October 22, 2013</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Kawakami: San Francisco Giants overpay Tim Lincecum for a reason - San Jose Mercury News

    "In a cold, clinical accounting of Tim Lincecum's true baseball value, his new two-year deal with the Giants for $35 million doesn't just seem high, it seems partially insane.
    For two seasons, he has been a below-average starter in an extremely pitcher-friendly ballpark. There's no getting around that unless you just want to imagine otherwise."

    Read that last article if you read anything. Look at how the Giants spend and spend and yet, there's no hope there in the words of the beat writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinsfan34 View Post
    Lincecum is not worth $17.5M a year and Hunter Pence is not worth $18M a year.

    SF market dictates prices (devalues money) at over 2x what it does to MSP.

    I'd rather be a 'farm team' than teams that sign players that age and duration for contract anyway. What's exciting about Lincecum and Pence coming back and their best season behind them?
    This contract will be for Lincecum's age 30 and 31 seasons. He's three months older than Sam Deduno.

    I can't speak for others, but I'd prefer to watch Lincecum over any of PJ Walters, Andrew Albers, Pedro Hernandez...
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    Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN In 2012-13, Lincecum had a 4.76 ERA, and his fastball velo dropped from 92.2 to 90.2. He gets 2/$35m; good guy, but that's a head-scratcher.
    6:21 PM - 22 Oct 2013

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    If Lincecum gets 2 yr $35M...what does Garza get? 4yr $100M?

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