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    Shelby Miller

    Apparently the Cards are shopping him, anyone else think the Twins should take a run at him?

    I imagine they would ask for Sano or Buxton, who both would be off the table IMO at this point, as they are the #1 and #3 guys heading into this season.

    However, could a deal be made around: Stewart+Rosario+more?

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    I don't believe we can trade Stewart til June. Rosario+Thorpe+Perkins+Hicks would probably get it done, no? I wouldn't do that trade.

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    I would hate to deal Stewart, for all we know he could be a top 3 pitcher in the minors at this point next year. I am excited for his first full year of ball in 2014! Is he even trade eligible at this point? If we can trade for Miller without giving up a top 4 prospect by all means do it. After watching the WS, though, it is apparent St. Louis is ready to win now and wants an upgrade at SS.

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    I'd be open to a Buxton for Miller trade personally but I think they're looking for a SS

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    Oh, they want a SS? Well shoot, that takes us out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinscowboysbulls View Post
    I don't believe we can trade Stewart til June. Rosario+Thorpe+Perkins+Hicks would probably get it done, no? I wouldn't do that trade.
    No that wouldn't get it done, and yes I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat if it would get it done.

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    I don't think the Twins match up well....the Cards want MLB players that help next year. SS being the key spot. Other than Mauer, they don't have a single MLB player the Cards would want, imo.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Oh, they want a SS? Well shoot, that takes us out of it.

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    I don't think they're shopping him too hard. It looks like the Cards turned down an offer of JJ Hardy for Miller. I don't know if there was anything else to that deal, but it looks to me that the only way we could get him would be if we had a stud SS and gave up a Buxton or Sano. I would be against any deal involving Sano or Buxton.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...by-miller.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I don't think they're shopping him too hard. It looks like the Cards turned down an offer of JJ Hardy for Miller. I don't know if there was anything else to that deal, but it looks to me that the only way we could get him would be if we had a stud SS and gave up a Buxton or Sano. I would be against any deal involving Sano or Buxton.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/1...by-miller.html
    That would have been a terrible trade for the Cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    No that wouldn't get it done, and yes I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat if it would get it done.
    No way the Cards would do that deal. They're competing for a WS Championship, not looking to bolster an already stacked farm system. They're pushing hard for a 1st division SS, Shelby Miller will go in a trade for Tulo or one of Profar or Andrus, otherwise he's staying put.

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    We've had a similar discussion not long ago:

    http://www.twinsdaily.com/showthread...=shelby+miller

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    I've read elsewhere that the Cards are interested in Tulo. I could see a deal around Tulo and Miller working for both sides.

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    M guess is that the Rockies would want both Miller and Tarvares to even start taking about Tulo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckmt View Post
    M guess is that the Rockies would want both Miller and Tarvares to even start taking about Tulo.
    For a SS who has played 140+ games in 3 out of 7 seasons? He is also owed $118M for the next 6 years whereas Miller is cost controlled for the next 5? years.

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    I'd settle for Joe Kelly if the Twins don't have the available pieces for Shelby Miller.

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    Twins just don't match up with the Cards at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physics Guy View Post
    For a SS who has played 140+ games in 3 out of 7 seasons? He is also owed $118M for the next 6 years whereas Miller is cost controlled for the next 5? years.
    You are talking about the best SS in the game currently Yes, he is that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritofVodkaDave View Post
    No that wouldn't get it done, and yes I would pull the trigger on that trade in a heartbeat if it would get it done.
    I doubt they'd take it, but I wouldn't make that deal either. Ignoring that Rosario's bat would likely play presently in an MLB corner outfield (where a year or so of innings would bring him to being a +/++ defender, based on the initial reports of him in CF) and that selling low on Hicks would be a questionable-at-best decision-I just can't believe teams are that interested in Miller.

    The Cards have had him pegged with "coachability" issues for ages (when there are multiple stories from different time periods about a "new attitude", it's a red flag), KLaw, amongst others, has questioned his competitive spirit with regards to his time in the minors and he was suspended in 2011 for one too many booze-fueled fights (read: more than one)*.

    His name has come up as a possible trade piece fairly often in the last few years. When an organization like the Cardinals goes slow with a pitcher's promotion and only has him pitch 4 ultra-low-leverage innings in relief in the playoffs, it raises my eyebrows. Combined with his off-field history and general attitude issues, I wouldn't be discussing Stewart at all and would be hesitant to include anything major next to Rosario.

    *That's not to denigrate anyone with alcohol or other addiction issues. I believe it relates to an impulse control and maturity issue with him. I do not mean to imply that alcoholics, addicts or others struggling with dependence of any form are somehow weak, of inferior character or lacking in willpower.

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    I think there will be a trade for a young pitcher, but it won't be anyone of Millers cost level. Buxton, Sano, Meyer, Stewart are untouchable, anybody else I would listen on. I would look to trade a package with a Dozier/ Perkins/ Arcia/ Rosario type centerpiece.
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