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    Article: Shaky Control Puts Liriano on Shaky Ground


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    I'm starting to think that he will be gonzo by the trading deadline. However, his trade value is so low we would get jack squat, just like the Kevin Slowey trade.

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    I bet Don Cooper wouldn't mind a chance to help Liriano work out his problems.

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    Liriano's problems start right at the beginning of his motion. Sadly, the beginning of each pitch looks a little different, so the result is unpredictable.

    I've heard Uncle Bert talk about coming to a balance point. Liriano needs to do that consistently, with consistent rhythm. Right now, his rhythm sucks.

    Maybe he needs to listen to some funky reggae.

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    Liriano is easily the biggest disappointment of 2012 so far. And that's saying a bit on a team that is on pace to lose over 100 games.

    I, too, have been an advocate of letting Liriano find himself. I even thought the Twins should have extended him over the winter. But at this point, I can't see any reason why he shouldn't at least skip at start, at worst lose his spot in the rotation.

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    Here's something I noticed: 1st time through the order he allowed 3 BB and a HBP (.444 OBP) with 1 K and only 16 of 37 pitches for strikes (43%). Over the next 13 PA he allowed 3 H and 1 BB (.308 OBP) with 3 K and 31 of 49 pitches for strikes (63%). He started 8 of those 13 PA with strike one. The HR was a cookie, but the single was a grounder through the left side and Longoria's double off the catwalk might just have been a can of corn in another park. I think they should have sent him back out there for the 6th.

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    One word - hypnotism. Give him confidence and consistency. He claims he wants to do whatever is best for him and the team. What wuld be best for him and the team at this point would be to go back to Rochester for a few weeks work.

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    His mechanics are all over the place right now and he has long stretches where he's just a mess on the mound. If he's willing to do it, a little time down in AAA to get things straightened out would probably be just the ticket.

    Scott Diamond doesn't have the upside of a Liriano, but he's more likely to give quality starts right now. I disagree that the peripherals on him are the same as last year; the K rate is the same, but the walks are down, the hits are down, and he's keeping the ball in the park better right now. It's a small sample size, so I'm not going to pretend that he's going to be some savior. But Liriano is spiraling out of control and I'm not sure he's going to correct the problem in MLB. Diamond could provide a little better consistency for a team that should be able to score enough runs for him.

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    The options that I see are:

    Liriano starting with the Twins, Maloney relieving with the Twins, Diamond starting for the Red Wings
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    Liriano relieving for the Twins, Maloney starting/relieving for the Red Wings (if he clears waivers), and Diamond starting for the Twins
    or
    some combination where Liriano is starting for the Red Wings


    I really think the best option is the second one. Diamond can perform like a 4th or 5t starter whereas Liriano cannot. I think Liriano can get it back as a reliever, maybe to become setup man or closer for 2013 (Twins or elsewhere). Liriano was dominant as a reliever in 2006 and gained his confidence as a big-league pitcher then. He needs that again.

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    You have been one of Liriano's staunchest defenders, and I've been basically the opposite. I've always wished you were right, though. And I still hope he can find his way somehow. Although the best thing right now might be to get him out of the pressure situation of starting for the Twins and let him work on his mechanics in another role.

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    As I have said in other posts in Twins Daily...move Liriano to the pen...he can give us a great 1 or 2 innings coming on in the 7th. If he finds his stuff, Liriano could be our closer in 2013...a role he is more suited for than starting and when we are a contending team we need a closer better than Craps.

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    If Liriano stays in the rotation, he could threaten for THE worst ERA for a starting pitcher since the mound got lowered in 1969:

    30 games or more started: Jose Lima, KC Royals 2005, 5-16 6.99 ERA

    20 games or more started: Mike Moore, Detroit Tigers 1995, 5-15 7.53

    15 games or more started: Steve Blass, Pittsburgh Pirates 1973, 3-9 9.85

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    I think he needs to go to the pen, but only be used to start an inning. Both this year and last, he has faired best in the first inning which may indicate he can give 1 full inning before he falls apart. It's not an altogether different situation than what we saw with Glen Perkins. He too was a head case who didn't trust his stuff.

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    Liriano has to go to the pen. His performance is completely unacceptable. He needs to earn his way back into starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAM DC Twins Fans View Post
    As I have said in other posts in Twins Daily...move Liriano to the pen...he can give us a great 1 or 2 innings coming on in the 7th. If he finds his stuff, Liriano could be our closer in 2013...a role he is more suited for than starting and when we are a contending team we need a closer better than Craps.
    Are you talking about the game being on the line? I'm not sure how many chances I'd give him in that role, nor how well my blood pressure would fare. The few leads we're seeing in the 7th, need to be preserved.

    If you just mean mop-up until he finds himself, any inning is as good as the 7th.

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    I say mop-up duty only until he starts to get some confidence. He needs to be able to work on things without having to worry about the score. As he improves, he can gradually be given opportunities in meaningful situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teflon View Post
    If Liriano stays in the rotation, he could threaten for THE worst ERA for a starting pitcher since the mound got lowered in 1969:

    30 games or more started: Jose Lima, KC Royals 2005, 5-16 6.99 ERA

    20 games or more started: Mike Moore, Detroit Tigers 1995, 5-15 7.53

    15 games or more started: Steve Blass, Pittsburgh Pirates 1973, 3-9 9.85
    I like that stat line. Liriano could easily beat that, seeing as his leash is pretty long in this organization.

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    Let's hope that leash is getting shorter by the minute.

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