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    Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, Mussina, Glavine, Schiling, Bagwell. I do not believe in the Hall of Very Good or Mediocre. 75 career WAR is my cut off.
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    I love these kind of threads.

    1. Maddux
    2. Big Hurt
    3. Glavine
    4. Piazza
    5. Biggio
    6. Morris (St. Paul Native loyalty vote)

    Notes:

    (a) I feel bad leaving a few guys off my ballot, and maybe I will change my mind at some point. Sorry - Rock, Crime-Dog, Bags, Moose and Mr. Kent.

    (b) I have not damaged my brain enough to forget about the steroid era as of yet. Give me a few more years.
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    Maddox, Glavine, Piazza, Schilling, Smith, Thomas, Morris, Biggio, Bagwell, Martinez. Except it to be totally The Year of The Pitcher!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, Mussina, Glavine, Schiling, Bagwell. I do not believe in the Hall of Very Good or Mediocre. 75 career WAR is my cut off.
    Frank Thomas compiled a WAR of 73 as a DH. Best right-handed hitter of the generation. Power, average, discipline. He should be a no-brainer first ballot pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Frank Thomas compiled a WAR of 73 as a DH. Best right-handed hitter of the generation. Power, average, discipline. He should be a no-brainer first ballot pick.
    I got him at 73.64 and Larry Walker at 72.63. Bagwell (another RH hitter is at 79.48). Being a DH hurts Thomas. He is borderline, but if you put Thomas in, you got to put Walker...

    Not that there are not worse players than Thomas who are in. There are. But I prefaced my thing with a. I do not believe in the Hall of Very Good and b. 75 WAR is my cut off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    Frank Thomas compiled a WAR of 73 as a DH. Best right-handed hitter of the generation. Power, average, discipline. He should be a no-brainer first ballot pick.
    What about Palmeiro and Martinez, would they get your vote too?

    McGwire? Sammy Souser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    I got him at 73.64 and Larry Walker at 72.63. Bagwell (another RH hitter is at 79.48). Being a DH hurts Thomas. He is borderline, but if you put Thomas in, you got to put Walker...

    Not that there are not worse players than Thomas who are in. There are. But I prefaced my thing with a. I do not believe in the Hall of Very Good and b. 75 WAR is my cut off.
    Just curious, why 75? That means no Reggie Jackson, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Rod Carew, Paul Molitor, Harmon Killebrew, Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Swanson View Post
    Just curious, why 75? That means no Reggie Jackson, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Rod Carew, Paul Molitor, Harmon Killebrew, Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith...
    Arbitrary. I think that the Hall of Fame should be exclusive. There are 76 players with career WAR > 75. This seems like a good number. Drop it down to 65 and it doubles to 134. 60 you got 177. 55, 227. 50, 295. And you have HOFers with WARs in the 20s like Freddie Lindstrom and Ray Schalk (and his career .656 OPS and 83 OPS+). Travesty.

    Just looking for an objective criterium that is better that the "because I feel this way" that happens today. And I believe that the Hall of Fame should be very exclusive and only for the few very best.

    Johnny Bench is in with 75.2, Paul Molitor too.
    The WAR rankings are here.
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    I'm going to put mine in order:
    1. Maddux
    2. Bonds
    3. Clemens
    4. Thomas
    5. Bagwell
    6. Piazza
    7. Biggio
    8. Glavine
    9. McGwire
    10. Sosa

    Right now I just cannot see how you don't fill out a full ballot. I had a number of guys like Raines, Schilling, Edgar, and McGriff that I left off that should be in there as well.
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    Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, Thomas, Glavine, Bagwell, Piazza, Biggio, Raines

    Steroid-era holdovers are going to make this a very crowded ballot in years to come, if it's not already

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrylos View Post
    Arbitrary. I think that the Hall of Fame should be exclusive. There are 76 players with career WAR > 75. This seems like a good number. Drop it down to 65 and it doubles to 134. 60 you got 177. 55, 227. 50, 295. And you have HOFers with WARs in the 20s like Freddie Lindstrom and Ray Schalk (and his career .656 OPS and 83 OPS+). Travesty.

    Just looking for an objective criterium that is better that the "because I feel this way" that happens today. And I believe that the Hall of Fame should be very exclusive and only for the few very best.

    Johnny Bench is in with 75.2, Paul Molitor too.
    The WAR rankings are here.
    Ah, understood. I used Fangraphs' WAR. Only 66 in their HOF.

    Since I'm questioning others, here is my ballot:

    Jeff Bagwell
    Barry Bonds
    Roger Clemens
    Tom Glavine
    Greg Maddux
    Mike Piazza
    Tim Raines
    Curt Schilling
    Frank Thomas
    Larry Walker

    Some very tough omissions too: Biggio, Trammell, Edgar, Mussina. It's insane that Kenny Lofton isn't on the ballot anymore.
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    Biggio
    Maddux
    Morris
    Piazza
    Raines
    eventually I would vote for Glavine, Thomas and Walker but not yet.

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    With only 10 votes, I would start with positions 1-2, and 4-9. I can't pick from this crop of 1Bs and DHs and defend my choices, they are all too close IMO.

    Maddux
    Glavine
    Clemens
    Schilling
    Mussina
    Kent
    Piazza
    Bonds
    Raines
    Trammell

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    This is not meant to chap anyone's hide, but if you did not see Frank Thomas play in his prime... I do not think you should have an opinion or leg to stand on his induction to the HoF.

    Seeing is believing... and I certainly believe, DH or not.
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    1. Biggio
    2. Bonds
    3. Clemens
    4. Glavine
    5. Maddux
    6. Martinez
    7. Piazza
    8. Schilling
    9. Thomas

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    Maddux, Glavine, Biggio, Bagwell, Raines, Piazza and Thomas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark's Lounge View Post
    This is not meant to chap anyone's hide, but if you did not see Frank Thomas play in his prime... I do not think you should have an opinion or leg to stand on his induction to the HoF.

    Seeing is believing... and I certainly believe, DH or not.
    Agreed. Thomas was basically Cabrera.

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    Also... The only players I see as shoe-ins are Greg Maddux and the Big Hurt.
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    WAR is really silly to use as a conclusive stat for something like this.

    I will break the ballot into 3 tiers for voting purposes

    no doubters
    Maddux and THE BIG HURT

    steroids users - a lot of these should be no doubters but won't get voted in and will stay on the ballot every year. This kind of screws up the ballot for those that would vote for steroid users. They end up with 10 guys on their ballot.

    borderline candidates - some of these guys I really like (Bagwell and Glavine) and are borderline no doubters while there are A LOT OF guys that a very good argument could be made for. I have always like Trammell for the HOF.

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