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    Too Many Starters?

    Once Nolasco is added, I count 11 starters on the 40 man roster, and that's not including Pressley, Swarzak, Duensing, or others mentioned as possible starters. It also doesn't include Meyer, who may need to be added at some point in 2014. I don't know how the Twins are going to have room for all of them and be able to get enough major league innings for the guys lacking experience. Would it be better to start cutting some of them loose now, so they have time to find another team? Any thoughts on who should be let go/traded?

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    I think it's definitely a concern. I think things will level out eventually, like Worley, Albers, or Kris Johnson going into the bullpen, or Hendriks getting outrighted. With most likely one more FA pitcher coming, I expect some room to be made. Things will be straightened out eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LewFordLives View Post
    Once Nolasco is added, I count 11 starters on the 40 man roster, and that's not including Pressley, Swarzak, Duensing, or others mentioned as possible starters. It also doesn't include Meyer, who may need to be added at some point in 2014. I don't know how the Twins are going to have room for all of them and be able to get enough major league innings for the guys lacking experience. Would it be better to start cutting some of them loose now, so they have time to find another team? Any thoughts on who should be let go/traded?
    Calling Swarzak and Duensing starters was just pretend. Diamond, Worley and Deduno are out of options. It will play itself out.
    Last edited by howieramone; 11-28-2013 at 11:21 AM.

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    Half of them will pitch their way into the bullpen or minors, or onto the DL long before we break camp. The guys who earn it will get their innings in the spring, the ones who don't ...well, who gives a sh*t! If there is a surplus come April 1st, I'd much rather worry about it then than worry about which AAAA rejects would man our 3-5 slots like we have for the past several springs.

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    I can see Terry Ryan trading some of our depth at spring training for another organizational need. It wont be a big deal just a AAAA pitcher for a AAAA OF for example. But I suspect he will want to size them up during spring training before he makes those trades.

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    There are quite a few player, the problem is major league talent. Nolasco and Correia are the for sures. Maybe 2 of Deduno, Diamond, Gibson, Hendricks, and Worley. The rest are Rochester Red Wings. Middle of the year maybe Logan, May, or Meyer makes it an issue. The maybe is big enough on any of the pitchers that the Twins still talk to Pelfrey knowing they still need a front of the rotation guy to go with Nolasco.

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    All evidence points to the Twins signing or getting another starter if you read all of the articles being written.

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    Any rotation has space for a Garza. Signing a Johan Santana works because he is either good or injured.

    The Twins don't need to sign back end guys. They don't need to sign Pelfrey. They don't need to sign pitchers certain to decline into back end of rotation guys like Arroyo.

    Signing those guys prevents them from finding useful pitchers with several years of control.

    Thoughts on pitchers...

    Correia would likely be a good fit in a role of long man/6th starter. His performance doesn't drop with runners on base. He is very good at holding on runners. He does not need to be a lock in the rotation. It will be a positive sign if he moves into this role.

    Meyer needs to be in rotation early. He needs to be up adjusting to the major leagues with a fresh arm. We don't need to see those high pitch count games in AAA like we saw with Gibson. I hope he opens on the major league team.

    Gibson needs to be in the rotation from day 1.

    Will Deduno be healthy? He needs a 10 start shot, but if he doesn't have it they should cut ties. He is not a young pitcher.

    I believe Diamond and Worley are out of options. They may need to be designated for assignment. That's OK if it is Garza pushing them out. It is not OK if it is a 37 year old Arroyo or a Pelfrey.

    I think Hendriks has an option left. He should be given a long enough stretch in AAA. Trevor May also needs a longer stretch in AAA. Albers and Johnson will also be there if needed.

    Again...

    There is always space at the top. Sign Garza.

    The Twins need to avoid guys who fill in the middle back end or are very likely to decline into that role. Avoid Capuano, Arroyo, Pelfrey...

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    (off topic and I hope I dont get banned for it ) Happy Thanksgiving to all Twins fans ,and players ands personel...and a special blessing for our troops , god bless you all

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    It looks like Hughes is our next target.

    Nolasco, Hughes, Correia, Deduno, Gibson

    Flip Correia at the deadline and insert Meyer.
    Last edited by howieramone; 11-28-2013 at 12:00 PM.

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    Gibson has to be in the rotation from the start. I don't completely understand the negativity I've seen people have towards him when we talk about SSS all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibs View Post
    Gibson has to be in the rotation from the start. I don't completely understand the negativity I've seen people have towards him when we talk about SSS all the time.
    To me , Gibson needs to have a spot in spring training to earn a regular season spot in the rotation...no freebies.

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    The Twins have too few starters, not too many. Junk-throwing AAAA filler doesn't count.

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    The only thing that needs to be said: You can never have too much starting pitching.
    You can come up with statistics to prove anything. Forty percent of all people know that.

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    The Twins do not have to worry about too many starters until the END of spring training. At this point, it looks as if only two pitchers have spots, Nolasco and Correia. All others will have to earn a major league spot. That includes Gibson, Diamond and Deduno. The Twins had a horrible starting staff last year. Any improvement by adding other major league experienced pitchers will be greatly appreciated. If the young pitchers have not EARNED a major league spot, they should be left at Rochester or New Britain to LEARN and DEVELOP. The past three years the Twins have had to rush their young pitchers to the majors to fill spots in the rotation. It is quite obvious from the results that they were not ready. Leave the prospects in the minors until they are ready and able to improve upon the production we are getting at the major league level. We do not need to see players using up their option years and service time on 'learning' at the major league level. It forces the organization to make roster decisions on players who are out of options but have not quite proven themselves (Parmalee, Deduno, Diamond?, ....) Sign a few more free agent pitchers. Make sure to stagger the lengths of the contracts so that you have at least one ending each year so there is a 'spot' to use for promotions from within the system. We need a two year & three year signing. One open spot this year for last year's pitchers to vie for, Correia's contract is up next year to open a spot for the next promotion (Meyer?). Keep in mind there WILL BE injured starters every year. That is the time to take a look at possible promotions for the next season, and there is always the September roster expansion to look at system players.

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    One reason there are "too many" starting pitchers (mouthwash needed) is that these guys don't have a dominant pitch to be useful as a relief pitcher as a "fallback position". They are guys with "average stuff" that were elevated because they "attacked the strike zone" in the minor leagues and survived the cuts. Sadly, their major league experience wasn't productive enough or we would have engraved their name in the rotation for 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnydakota View Post
    To me , Gibson needs to have a spot in spring training to earn a regular season spot in the rotation...no freebies.
    I guess that's true. I didn't mean Gibson should be given a spot regardless, but he should be strongly considered for a spot. What does everyone think of Hendriks? If he is out of options, should we stick him in the rotation one last time and see what happens? We probably know how that would go. Is there room for him in the bullpen?

    I'm also expecting Worley to be in the rotation this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The only thing that needs to be said: You can never have too much starting pitching.
    The reason it's scarce is that somebody forgot to insert the word "competent" when the quote was conceived.

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    I was expecting a thread full of tongue-in-cheek jokes as a way of saying thanks for our first significant FA move in decades.

    I'm a bit of a sad panda now.

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    Too many bad starters is a much easier problem to correct than too few good ones. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

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