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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    Was the Houston Astros being led by said creature?
    They drafted out of need and defied the consensus pick of who the actual BPA was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
    It takes alot more than articles and interviews to assess relative ability and specific skills sets.
    I didn't "assess" his "specific skill sets." We don't have enough to go on. If that ended all conversation, this board and all the ones like it would close immediately.

    We do know that he's another Twins lifer who started as a PR intern and has spent the bulk of his career in that department. We know that, at last check, he was ignorant of common baseball statistics. Has he shown a particular gift for negotiating contracts? I see no evidence of it.

    The Twins' insular culture is interesting in the context of Coase-inspired firm theory- there is no objective or empirical justification for it. The only plausible reason a firm would behave this way is to protect mediocrity, which to the outside world is justified as "loyalty."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    They drafted out of need and defied the consensus pick of who the actual BPA was.
    Are you refer to Appel or Buxton? As I recall there wasn't a consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jokin View Post
    They drafted out of need and defied the consensus pick of who the actual BPA was.
    Jokin couldn't see I was joking

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    Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
    Jokin couldn't see I was joking
    Moderator's note: I guess I was too subtle with my earlier post in this thread. Please take discussion of the 2012 draft to a more appropriate thread, unless it involves Rob Antony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicksaviking View Post
    This team has nothing but stability. It's had the same old white men in charge for over two decades. I'm not against Anthony getting the job, but only if he's the best candidate. They implied they were doing away with the country club last year, or did that only apply to players? I don't like this, what if a superior external candidate is available and willing to take this job? This isn't a monarchy, this is a capitalistic enterprise, there should not be a line of succession. There needs to be an extensive search for the best possible leader and if it ends up being Anthony, great, I might even cheer for him to get it, but it should not be a given.
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    I didn't "assess" his "specific skill sets." We don't have enough to go on. If that ended all conversation, this board and all the ones like it would close immediately.

    We do know that he's another Twins lifer who started as a PR intern and has spent the bulk of his career in that department. We know that, at last check, he was ignorant of common baseball statistics. Has he shown a particular gift for negotiating contracts? I see no evidence of it.

    The Twins' insular culture is interesting in the context of Coase-inspired firm theory- there is no objective or empirical justification for it. The only plausible reason a firm would behave this way is to protect mediocrity, which to the outside world is justified as "loyalty."
    I don't know how you can evaluate his negotiating skils. I have negotiated hundreds of multi mullion dollar contracts I could not possibly assess his negotiating skills without being present on several occassions. In 20 years of management consulting I have worked with many truly talented people. However, I have never seen someone with the requsitite skills set to make such an assessment assume to understand someone's ability with so little information.

    I am pretty sure it would violate TD policy if I were to assess your competency. You have to love the irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
    I don't know how you can evaluate his negotiating skils. I have negotiated hundreds of multi mullion dollar contracts I could not possibly assess his negotiating skills without being present on several occassions. In 20 years of management consulting I have worked with many truly talented people. However, I have never seen someone with the requsitite skills set to make such an assessment assume to understand someone's ability with so little information.

    I am pretty sure it would violate TD policy if I were to assess your competency. You have to love the irony.
    Well that's actually not a correct understanding of "irony," but it's moot to begin with: I never assessed his competency. In fact, I quite specifically said I was unable to do so.

    Is misconstruing posts a violation of TD policy?

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    Would an outside candidate for GM even be able to succeed in the Twins org? That FO has to be so damn insular, full of guys who came up together and trust eachother. An outside GM would get steam rolled by the ol' boys club that likely dominates that office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
    I am pretty sure it would violate TD policy if I were to assess your competency. You have to love the irony.
    I am pretty sure that saying something without actually saying it still counts as a violation. Please knock it off. Rule of thumb, if you think you're close to the line, you probably are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Leauge Ready View Post
    I don't know how you can evaluate his negotiating skils. I have negotiated hundreds of multi mullion dollar contracts I could not possibly assess his negotiating skills without being present on several occassions. In 20 years of management consulting I have worked with many truly talented people. However, I have never seen someone with the requsitite skills set to make such an assessment assume to understand someone's ability with so little information.

    I am pretty sure it would violate TD policy if I were to assess your competency. You have to love the irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amjgt View Post
    It's like R-AAA-AAA-AA-AIN, on your wedding day.
    A free rii-i-ii-i-ide when you're already late
    I might have to issue an infraction just for putting that song in my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by clutterheart View Post
    Would an outside candidate for GM even be able to succeed in the Twins org? That FO has to be so damn insular, full of guys who came up together and trust eachother. An outside GM would get steam rolled by the ol' boys club that likely dominates that office.
    Depends on the outside GM and his or her skill sets. Happens all the time in the corporate world. The trick is knowing how to enter a system without being corrupted by the system, then you can change it from within. That's what I do in my field as well. And, yes, it does take time to effect lasting change, but it can be done.

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    Could have been such a nice opportunity to congratulate a man on a promotion. There are likely years of opportunity to assess the job he does. I'm bummed this community couldn't take the chance to just say congratulations to the man.
    Lighten up Francis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brock Beauchamp View Post
    I won't give Ryan a ton of credit for picking Buxton because he was coveted by most organizations.

    But let's not pretend that there were no questions surrounding him out of high school. He played in the sticks; there were questions about competition level and whether it was masking some inherent flaws in him as a player. Plus, playing out in the sticks meant that scouting on him was light compared to his relative talent level.
    Given the Twins situation at the time (no pitching depth in the system), I don't think Buxton was no-brainer. The next three draft picks were a catcher that ripped up the minors and was in the majors in one year, and two pitchers that project very well (all needs). Many boards had Appel as the #1 guy on their boards as well, although he had signability concerns. So they took the best guy on their board over many glaring needs, that should be praised.

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    I thought this thread was about Antony, and all I see is stuff about the draft, which Antony had almost nothing to do with. He's the guy who works with the scouts to identify potential FA signings and trade targets. He then works on contracts and stuff when they get interested parties together.

    His tenure in this position started when Ryan first retired and BS was promoted to GM. Antony identified guys like Mike Lamb and advised BS to use our best trade chips to acquire the likes of Delmon Young. A rough start if there ever was one.

    But he's learned from his failures, and grown much faster since Ryan has taken him under his wing. He's even learned a bit of statistical analysis, though not as much as I would like. If he is the heir apparent, I hope they give Ryan a couple more years to mentor him before giving him the tiller.
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    I like GMs with scouting background not management.

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    I have never had a problem with the In-House-Promotion style of the Twins, and I am not in favor of replacing anyone at this moment. I think they have done an exemplary job of hiring dependable, stand-up people and have built an effective, close-knit community. However...

    It just dawned on me (perhaps it has been on others minds for some time) that the Twins have somewhat painted themselves into a corner. If they go for an outside hire at GM, that person will undoubtedly want to surround themselves with their own people, and so the Pohlads will, in effect, be firing dozens of people they care deeply about. That has to be a heart-wrenching amount of inertia to overcome.

    Oops, I meant "Congratulations Mr. Antony on your recent promotion"!
    Last edited by TRex; 12-20-2013 at 08:22 AM. Reason: undoing 'highjack'... hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heimer View Post
    I like GMs with scouting background not management.
    My thoughts exactly as I was reading thru this thread. A very visable portion of a GM's job is making trades, an ex-scout will know more about players than a person that has risen thru the business side of the company. Look no further than Bill Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
    Could have been such a nice opportunity to congratulate a man on a promotion. There are likely years of opportunity to assess the job he does. I'm bummed this community couldn't take the chance to just say congratulations to the man.

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